Did that thread about a woman's atlas get deleted?

[Kitteh]

The MikadoForum hates women.

FTFY

[Kitteh]

The MikadoForum hates women.

FTFY

I don't know if you saw my posts in the thread before it got deleted so I am not sure if this directed at me. If it is, please address why you think I hate women. If it is not the case, feel free to ignore this post.

Not addressed towards you at all. I didn't see your posts in there before it was deleted. It was a somewhat facetious comment about Forum culture in general.

[Kitteh]

I have a feeling that this thread is going to be deleted too...

[Kitteh]

It's not about legal or physical barriers. Have you never known a woman intimately? And I don't necessarily mean sleeping with one. Just knowing a woman pretty well is sufficient to see this. I had a girlfriend who avoided working for investment banks. Not because she didn't want to, because she did. Not because they said they didn't like women, because they actually did the opposite, claiming to want more female employees. But because she very acutely felt the barriers of the sexist culture of those places and the way society expects men to do such jobs better. That's just a tiny anecdotal example from a country usually considered one of the most gender-equal in the world.

You're clearly viewing this from the perspective of a man. Which is natural since you are one. But the whole idea of tolerance and human rights is that we attempt to understand those coming from other positions in life. Not only do you fail in that but you seem uninterested to even try, content to retain misogynist positions. You should really reconsider that. 

For whatever reason, my closest friends tend to be women, so please spare me the "have you ever known a woman "spiel. The question that struck me immediately after reading your post was, why do you position women as some sort of extraordinarily fragile creatures unable to advance merely because they "feel the [perceived] barriers of a sexist culture?" Are they really that weak? I certainly don't think so. What you just said is far more insulting to women that any position I have stated. I'm not at all familiar with Swedish customs or business policy, but in the United States, companies are constantly going out of their way to find female employees, especially in traditionally male dominated fields like finance or engineering. It is, in fact, far easier to get a job in one of these fields as a woman than as a man. We all had a good laugh about "binders full of women" but companies really do this. Women have a serious edge in many fields just because we're all trying to overcompensate for something that nobody can ever define concretely. Which is a bit crazy to me, but companies are more than welcome to run their HR any legal way they see fit. Regarding the Atlas, and I think that was how this thread got started in the first place, nobody takes more crap here than fat people. I would much rather be a woman posting here than a fat. But we still have plenty of fats who are able to "overcome" the slings and arrows enough to post here. I'm even a little husky myself. And as I told Nathan, who remains in his sad little trench with his fingers in his ears, you should be far more reluctant to drop words like misogynist and sexist when they don't truly apply, if only because you may need these words in the future in more appropriate circumstances. When your racist/sexist/whateverist reflex is too strong, you completely destroy the meaning of these words.

(I appreciate the serious responses by Nathan, Antonio, Gustaf et al but at a certain point I don't really feel like taking this seriously)

[Kitteh]

Are you guys seriously arguing that, if not for societal influences, women and men would think exactly the same? Because that's wrong. There are physiological and anatomical differences between the average male and female brains, and these affect how the two sexes think, resulting in, yes, "psychological" and "intellectual" differences. This shouldn't be controversial. It's basic science.

The argument as I see it is whether or not there are differences (I don't feel that it's clear either way) they almost certainly don't lead to places like this being 99% male (as opposed to maybe 75%) and that social factors do influence things too.

[Kitteh]

I'm not in favor of deleting or locking this thread but after all this I'm tired of debating this issue so I'd say lets just agree to drop it for now.

[Kitteh]

Srs business.

Relevant: Among transgender people, SRS as an acronym is used to mean Sex Reassignment Surgery. I always giggle when I see people use to to mean "serious" on the internet for that reason, but it's even more ironic than usual in a thread about gender like this one.