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Democratic Hawk
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« on: October 20, 2006, 09:33:20 AM »

Irish Paramilitary Bill

1a. It shall be deemed illegal for any citizen or group to knowingly and willingly provide or furnish with money, financial assistance and or aid, weaponry of all natures, goods of all natures and manpower, to any 'nationalist' and or 'unionist' paramilitary organisation operating within or out with Northern Ireland or the Irish Republic.

b. It shall be deemed illegal for any citizen or group to knowingly and or willingly harbour, offer sanctuary or to wilfully protect members of any 'nationalist' and or 'unionist' paramilitary organisation operating within or out with Northern Ireland or the Irish Republic.

c. It shall be deemed illegal to provide any of the aformentioned assistance to any 'political organisation and or front' part of, or allied to any nationalist' and or 'unionist' paramilitary organisation.

2a. The term 'nationalist', as used within this bill shall refer to organisations including but not restricted to; the Irish Republican Army, the Real Irish Republican Army and the Irish National Liberation Army.

b.  The term 'unionist', as used within this bill shall refer to organisations including, but not restricted to; the Loyalist Volunteer Force, the Ulster Defence Association and the Ulster Volunteer Force.

c. The term 'political organisation and or front', as used within this bill shall refer to organisations including, but not restricted to, Sinn Fein, the Irish Republican Socialist Party and the Progressive Unionist Party.

3. It shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of State to maintain and update a list of 'nationalist', 'unionist' and 'political organisations and or front(s)' that are covered by this Act.



Sponsor: Sen. Dave 'Hawk'
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Democratic Hawk
LucysBeau
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2006, 09:47:20 AM »

I have introduced this Bill on behalf of the Secretary of External Affairs. It's pretty self-explanatory and I support it wholeheartedly. It is only right that Atlasia takes this position as regards paramilitary organizations in Ireland, whether they operate in Northern Ireland, the Irish Republic or both

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LucysBeau
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2006, 11:30:41 AM »


I have suggested substantial changes to the bill. These changes include adding further paramilitary and political organisations to the bill and removed the Provisional IRA and Sinn Féin from the original. The removal of the Provisionals and SF is motivated by the fact that the common position of the British and Irish governemtns and of the IMC is that The Provisional IRA has effectively gone out of business. Given that I see no reason why restrictions on SF should apply over and above any restrictions on other Irish political movements not involved in terrorism or criminality.

While, I doubt that I'll ever few Sinn Fein or the Provisional IRA favorably, since it is, indeed, the case as far as the British and Irish governments are concerned that they have ceased paramilitary activity, I shall be supporting your amendment

My support is based on my trust in them. Let dare Sinn Fein or the Provisional IRA betray that trust because, if they do, I'll seek that Atlasia go way beyond banning funding. I'll seek the sequestration of any assets belonging them in Atlasia

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2006, 11:41:14 AM »


I have suggested substantial changes to the bill. These changes include adding further paramilitary and political organisations to the bill and removed the Provisional IRA and Sinn Féin from the original. The removal of the Provisionals and SF is motivated by the fact that the common position of the British and Irish governemtns and of the IMC is that The Provisional IRA has effectively gone out of business. Given that I see no reason why restrictions on SF should apply over and above any restrictions on other Irish political movements not involved in terrorism or criminality.

While, I doubt that I'll ever few Sinn Fein or the Provisional IRA favorably, since it is, indeed, the case as far as the British and Irish governments are concerned that they have ceased paramilitary activity, I shall be supporting your amendment

My support is based on my trust in them. Let dare Sinn Fein or the Provisional IRA betray that trust because, if they do, I'll seek that Atlasia go way beyond banning funding. I'll seek the sequestration of any assets belonging them in Atlasia

'Hawk'

If the Provisionals return to terrorist activity, then I would support any such move by you.

Do you think we should sequestrate any Atlasian assets of those paramilitary organisations listed in Section 2, Clause a, Senator? To all intents and purposes they remain active

'Hawk'
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LucysBeau
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2006, 04:30:27 PM »

Hmmmm... I better act fast:

Christopher J. Soult                                                                       181
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Pay to the Order of    Sinn Fein                                    $ 1,000,000

one million dollars                                                           


memo   Keep up the fight              Christopher J. Soult     

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2006, 12:58:46 PM »

I hereby open the vote on the following amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain


1a. It shall be deemed illegal for any citizen or group to knowingly and willingly provide or furnish with money, financial assistance and or aid, weaponry of all natures, goods of all natures and manpower, to any Irish paramilitary organisation, covered by this Act, operating within or without the island of Ireland.

1b. It shall be deemed illegal for any citizen or group to knowingly and or willingly harbour, offer sanctuary or to wilfully protect members of any Irish paramilitary organisation, covered by this Act, operating within or without the island of Ireland.

1c. It shall be deemed illegal to provide any of the aformentioned assistance to any 'political organisation and or front' part of, or allied to any Irish paramilitary organisation covered by this Act.

2a. The paramilitary organisations covered by this Actl are:
The Real Irish Republican Army
The Continutity Irish Republican Army
The Official Irish Republican Army
The Irish National Liberation Army
Saoirse na hÉireann
Óglaigh na hÉireann
The Loyalist Volunteer Force
The Ulster Defence Association
The Ulster Volunteer Force
The Red Hand Defenders
The Red Hand Commandos
The Orange Volunteers
The Ulster Young Militants

2b. The term 'political organisation and or front', as used within this Act shall refer to the following organisations:
Republican Sinn Féin
32 County Sovereignty Movement
Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners
The Worker's Party of Ireland
The Irish Republican Socialist Party
The Ulster Political Research Group
Progressive Unionist Party

3. It shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of External Affairs to monitor the list of paramiliitary organisations and 'political organisations and or front(s)' that are covered by this Act, and make any appropriate reccomendations to the Senate for alterations to thos lists.


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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2006, 01:11:06 PM »

Aye

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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2006, 07:28:24 PM »

With 5 'Ayes', 1 'Nay' and 3 Abstentions this amendment has passed

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2006, 07:55:10 PM »

Today, the RTE have foiled a bomb plot on the part of the Real IRA. Yes, Irish paramilitary activity is still alive and well Sad. Yes, they are still planning atrocities Angry

Atlasia is aware of terrorism, we have born the brunt of terrorism - 9/11, Not to mention attacks on Atlasians and Atlasian assets abroad

No moral distinction can be made between the activities of Irish terrorists, whether loyalist or nationalist, and Al-Qaeda et al. Terrorism is wrong!

If that's not reason to support this Bill, then I don't know what is

'Hawk'
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2006, 12:36:43 PM »

Today, the RTE have foiled a bomb plot on the part of the Real IRA. Yes, Irish paramilitary activity is still alive and well Sad. Yes, they are still planning atrocities Angry

Just to clarify, RTÉ (ireland's state broadcaster, á la the BBC) reported over the weekend that the Gardaí (Irish Police) discovered a large quantity of explosives believed to have been set to be used by the Real IRA, who are seeking to destabilise the important ongoing talks in the North before next months deadline. A defence forces spokesman said the devices found consisted of a gas cylinder packed with powdered explosives from shotgun pellets mixed with petrol. The use of such devices would likely have amounted to the most serious terrorist event in the North since the Omagh bombing in 1998.

Thanks for clarifying the point I was making, regards the Real IRA, further and more accurately, Senator

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LucysBeau
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2006, 10:53:07 PM »

I hereby open the vote on the final Bill. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain


1a. It shall be deemed illegal for any citizen or group to knowingly and willingly provide or furnish with money, financial assistance and or aid, weaponry of all natures, goods of all natures and manpower, to any Irish paramilitary organisation, covered by this Act, operating within or without the island of Ireland.

1b. It shall be deemed illegal for any citizen or group to knowingly and or willingly harbour, offer sanctuary or to wilfully protect members of any Irish paramilitary organisation, covered by this Act, operating within or without the island of Ireland.

1c. It shall be deemed illegal to provide any of the aformentioned assistance to any 'political organisation and or front' part of, or allied to any Irish paramilitary organisation covered by this Act.

2a. The paramilitary organisations covered by this Actl are:
The Real Irish Republican Army
The Continutity Irish Republican Army
The Official Irish Republican Army
The Irish National Liberation Army
Saoirse na hÉireann
Óglaigh na hÉireann
The Loyalist Volunteer Force
The Ulster Defence Association
The Ulster Volunteer Force
The Red Hand Defenders
The Red Hand Commandos
The Orange Volunteers
The Ulster Young Militants

2b. The term 'political organisation and or front', as used within this Act shall refer to the following organisations:
Republican Sinn Féin
32 County Sovereignty Movement
Concerned Group for Republican Prisoners
The Worker's Party of Ireland
The Irish Republican Socialist Party
The Ulster Political Research Group
Progressive Unionist Party

3. It shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of External Affairs to monitor the list of paramiliitary organisations and 'political organisations and or front(s)' that are covered by this Act, and make any appropriate reccomendations to the Senate for alterations to those lists.


'Hawk'
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LucysBeau
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2006, 10:54:58 PM »

Aye

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Democratic Hawk
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E: -2.58, S: 2.43

« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2006, 10:28:35 AM »

This Bill has enough votes to pass. Senators now have 24 hours to change their votes

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E: -2.58, S: 2.43

« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2006, 10:33:04 AM »

With 6 Ayes, 1 Nay and 0 Abstentions this Bill has passed. I hereby present it to the President for his signature

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