John Fetterman stands with Israel, appreciates Republican support in midst of splinter with the left

[Fuzzy Bear]

There is ever so much whining about the "Indigenous People" of any number of countries, and how long-established nations are living on "Stolen Land".  Now I don't buy into that argument in general because, really, how far back do you have to go to make things right, but if people want to go there, we really need to consider who occupied the land in 600 BC.

[Fuzzy Bear]

CAN WE PLEASE NOT DRAG IN GENEALOGICAL DEBATES ABOUT THIS REGION AGAIN?!

Why?  This is the argument the pro-Palestinian faction is making.  That you can't logically refute it is not my problem.

Now I DID say that I consider these "indigenous peoples" and "stolen land" arguments to be generally without merit, but my response is for the people who are making them.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Maroon avs are really off their rocker when it comes to this issue.

Why? Because we aren't unapologetic bootlickers of Bibi? If that makes us "off our rocker," so be it.

And Fuzzy, if you're gonna bring up justification of states by how it was during Antiquity, by that logic, it should be perfectly fine for the Iranians to pursue restoring the borders of the old Achaemenid Empire. Afterall, was that not where Iran was at historically?

Read my post again.  Work for word:

There is ever so much whining about the "Indigenous People" of any number of countries, and how long-established nations are living on "Stolen Land".  Now I don't buy into that argument in general because, really, how far back do you have to go to make things right, but if people want to go there, we really need to consider who occupied the land in 600 BC.

[Fuzzy Bear]

CAN WE PLEASE NOT DRAG IN GENEALOGICAL DEBATES ABOUT THIS REGION AGAIN?!

Why?  This is the argument the pro-Palestinian faction is making.  That you can't logically refute it is not my problem.

Now I DID say that I consider these "indigenous peoples" and "stolen land" arguments to be generally without merit, but my response is for the people who are making them.

I dunno maybe because it’s a disgusting argument that goes down one of two problematic routes we literally just saw play out here. On the one side we got Jfern going down the Nazi path of denying modern Jews have little ties to the Jews of Antiquity and on the other we got you denying that a group of people (Palestinians) have no ties to the land despite living there for hundreds of years

Jews have ties to that land dating back thousands of years.

There have been Jews living continuously in "Palestine" since Biblical times, despite the Diaspora.  They were Arabic-speaking Jews, but they were the continuously there.  At the end of WWI, prior to the Balfour Declaration, there were 56,000 Jews in "Palestine".  During this period. Elizer Beh-Yehuda began to do the work of reviving Hebrew as an everyday language.

Between the wars, there was some Jewish immigration to Palestine.  These were not "colonialist settlers"; they were people fleeing persecution in not just Germany, but in the USSR and in a number of Eastern European nations and even France and Spain.  This was cut short by Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who agreed to collaborate with Hitler to (A) stop Jews from fleeing to Israel and (B) drive the Jews in "Palestine" out of "Palestine", with no place to go.

Amin al-Husseini is the father of Palestinian Arab Nationalism.  This is not a convenient truth for those trying to push the Palestinian cause today; folks who are convicted as War Criminals in absentia (as the Mufti was), and Palestinian Arab Nationalists, but it's a fact.  Jews in "Palestine" were considered by Palestinian Arabs as "Palestinians"; the Mufti ended that, and redefined Palestinians to exclude the Jews who lived there.  I defy anyone here who is a apologist for Palestinian Arab Nationalist Terror to give an example where any Palestinian "Leader" of consequence rebuked the Mufti.  (People resent my mentioning this forgotten scumbag in history because they cannot defend the failure to rebuke and reject the Mufti's legacy.) 

The Palestinians have spent over 80 years seeking to drive Jews out of Judea and Samaria.  They have engaged in violence against Israel.  They have never acknowledged Israel's right to exist.  Palestinian terrorists and their sympathizers have made their way to America, calling for Intifada against America as well as Israel.  In Arabic, it's "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Arab!"  The "Free" part does not mean "Freedom" as the Constitution would define it.

I have no sympathy for the Palestinian cause at all.  When they agree to recognize Israel's right to exist is the moment I'll be open-minded.  Not until then.

[Fuzzy Bear]

And Fuzzy, if you're gonna bring up justification of states by how it was during Antiquity, by that logic, it should be perfectly fine for the Iranians to pursue restoring the borders of the old Achaemenid Empire. Afterall, was that not where Iran was at historically?

Would also mean white folks and basically anybody who isn't native indigenous American should probably leave the North American continent, unless the first nations want to grant them citizenship or permanent residency. The people making these arguments never seem to apply it to North America for some reason...

If you believe that, start packing.