Rep. Jim Jordan covered up his COVID infection

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why is his Health Status the public's business?

When was HIPPA repealed?

If he was going around people while contagious, that's one thing.  The article doesn't seem to say that.  But if I had COVID-19 and isolated until the quarantine period is over, whiat business is that of yours?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why is his Health Status the public's business?

When was HIPPA repealed?

If he was going around people while contagious, that's one thing.  The article doesn't seem to say that.  But if I had COVID-19 and isolated until the quarantine period is over, what business is that of yours?

Because he could make others sick from COVID-19 with resulting bad consequences that include:

1. DEATH
2. organ damage
3. diabetes
4. cognitive loss
5. stillbirths
6. sexual dysfunction

And, yet, HIV/AIDS has layers of extra-confidentiality.  In a treatment center, a counselor cannot disclose a client/patient to other members of the clinical team without the client/patient's authorization.

In the 1990s I worked in a treatment facility as a counselor.  It was a co-ed facility, and I was the assistant Program Director, in that I covered for the Program Director when he was out (which became progressively frequently).  One of the biggest problems at the facility was keeping the male and female clients from engaging in sexual activity.  We were faced with a promiscuous female wishing to involve herself with a willing (but unsuspecting) male.  We could not do anything to warn the male individual of this particular individual's disease status; all we could do was reiterate the rules (in a very general way) that sexual activity between clients/patients was against the rules and that staff could not, for reasons of confidentiality, inform people of the disease status of others.  All we could do if someone had a concern about themselves was refer them for testing if they were concerned, and in a way that would not give the slightest hint of someone else's disease status.  I had to tell two (2) counselors under me that, no, they could not warn the client explicitly in this case (even though they would have a Duty to Warn that client if that other client was threatening harm to them or killing them with, say, a gun or a knife).    Had the ill client's confidentiality been violated on this charge, our jobs would likely have been lost, and that would not have been the least of it.

So stop the Pearl Clutching.  Medical Confidentiality is either a right or it is not.  If it is a right, it is a right for Jim Jordan as much as anyone else. 

One of the questions about Constitutional Rights is whether or not they apply EXCEPT in estraordinary circumstances, or ESPECIALLY in extraordinary circumstances.  I believe the latter is true; that the Constitution was made to protect people from "not letting crises go to waste" by trashing our Enumerated Liberties when the going got tough.  And one of the ways I evaluate people is how much respect they have for the rights of other people whom they neither like nor agree with.  I certainly think little of Darrell Brooks and the way he's lived his life, but he's as entitled to a truly fair trial as is Kyle Rittenhouse and others here that people don't like.  Jim Jordan, no matter how smarmy you may find him, is as entitled to confidentiality under HIPPA as is Cori Bush.  I don't believe anyone here would have started this thread if it was Cori Bush or a Squad member who kept their COVID-19 status to themselves, and not Jim Jordan.  It's a sign of the personal character of people here as the degree to which they acknowledge the RIGHTS of people whom, for whatever reason, they don't care for.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why is his Health Status the public's business?

When was HIPPA repealed?

If he was going around people while contagious, that's one thing.  The article doesn't seem to say that.  But if I had COVID-19 and isolated until the quarantine period is over, whiat business is that of yours?

From the fine article:

"I've had the virus, I don't talk about my health status with reporters," Congressman Jordan told a Spectrum News Capitol Hill reporter who had asked if he has been vaccinated since saying over the summer he had not been.

"I've had the coronavirus and recovered," Jordan said, adding that he's had his antibodies tested and is eligible to "donate plasma."

Asked if he knew when he had COVID-19 Jordan said, "I believe it was back early in the summer." It's unclear why he would say he "believes" it was early in the summer.

Hypocrisy and lies are standard Republican MO, but usually they're cunning enough to be a little less blatant. 

Here's a link to video of Jim Jordan in early summer. He doesn't appear to be isolating.

What he does is my business the same way its my business if a cop decides to randomly discharge his firearm at houses in my neighborhood (or at my Representative and their political allies).

COVID is practically the Republican dream in action: irresponsibly killing people around them out of willful ignorance while pretending they're the victims.

You could say the same thing about HIV/AIDS patients, particularly about being eligible to donate plasma.  Are you going to apply this position to HIV/AIDS patients?

Jim Jordan has every right to medical confidentiality.  He has no obligation to share that private information with anyone else.  Like it or not.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why is his Health Status the public's business?

When was HIPPA repealed?

If he was going around people while contagious, that's one thing.  The article doesn't seem to say that.  But if I had COVID-19 and isolated until the quarantine period is over, whiat business is that of yours?

From the fine article:

"I've had the virus, I don't talk about my health status with reporters," Congressman Jordan told a Spectrum News Capitol Hill reporter who had asked if he has been vaccinated since saying over the summer he had not been.

"I've had the coronavirus and recovered," Jordan said, adding that he's had his antibodies tested and is eligible to "donate plasma."

Asked if he knew when he had COVID-19 Jordan said, "I believe it was back early in the summer." It's unclear why he would say he "believes" it was early in the summer.

Hypocrisy and lies are standard Republican MO, but usually they're cunning enough to be a little less blatant. 

Here's a link to video of Jim Jordan in early summer. He doesn't appear to be isolating.

What he does is my business the same way its my business if a cop decides to randomly discharge his firearm at houses in my neighborhood (or at my Representative and their political allies).

COVID is practically the Republican dream in action: irresponsibly killing people around them out of willful ignorance while pretending they're the victims.

You could say the same thing about HIV/AIDS patients, particularly about being eligible to donate plasma.  Are you going to apply this position to HIV/AIDS patients?

You are directly comparing a disease spread by breathing with a disease spread by sex.

If Republicans had any self awareness... they wouldn't be Republicans.

Jim Jordan has every right to medical confidentiality.  He has no obligation to share that private information with anyone else.  Like it or not.

He is claiming he doesn't share his medical information with reporters... while sharing his medical information with reporters. I know Republicans are, well, Republicans, but this ought to be beneath anyone with speck of self-awareness or self-respect.

I'm comparing a disease with a relatively miniscule death rate to a disease that was spread by blood to blood contact and which, in the 1980s, was a death sentence, with death coming after years of declining health and (in many cases) social ostracism, based on fear of the then-unknown.

That extra-confidentiality exists to this day.  Why is that?  You tell me.

People's COVID-19 status is none of anyone else's business.  Jim Jordan has that right, and he doesn't owe you crap.  (He doesn't owe me crap, either, but you're the one acting like he owes yer.)

I will tell this forum here and now:  I am far more afraid of losing my freedom and my constitutional rights than I am of any germ.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I'm not sure if this is what's being alleged, but if he did not self-isolate while knowing he had Covid, that could have killed other people and should be a crime.

There's no allegation that he did.  And you would not insinuate this if Jim Jordan was a political leader you believed in.  But if you really believe this, why don't you start by using Chris Cuomo as an example?  After all, he went outside of his home during the 14 day quarantine and got into a verbal altercation with another person on Eastern Long Island.  Why not use Chris Cuomo as an example of someone who actually did this?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why is his Health Status the public's business?

When was HIPPA repealed?

If he was going around people while contagious, that's one thing.  The article doesn't seem to say that.  But if I had COVID-19 and isolated until the quarantine period is over, whiat business is that of yours?

No such bill named "HIPPA" was ever passed, so I'm a little confused as to what you're talking about. I would guess you meant HIPAA, but nothing in that bill pertains to your point, so it can't be that either.

From the CDC, its very self:

The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) is a federal law that required the creation of national standards to protect sensitive patient health information from being disclosed without the patient's consent or knowledge.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Why is his Health Status the public's business?

When was HIPPA repealed?

If he was going around people while contagious, that's one thing.  The article doesn't seem to say that.  But if I had COVID-19 and isolated until the quarantine period is over, whiat business is that of yours?

No such bill named "HIPPA" was ever passed, so I'm a little confused as to what you're talking about. I would guess you meant HIPAA, but nothing in that bill pertains to your point, so it can't be that either.

From the CDC, its very self:

The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) is a federal law that required the creation of national standards to protect sensitive patient health information from being disclosed without the patient's consent or knowledge.

You may notice, per your own source, that HIPAA prohibits the disclosure of health records from certain people, such as your doctor and health insurance provider, among others. It does not, you may notice, protect you from journalists reporting on your own words that you, of your own volition, said to them. Bringing up HIPAA is a complete non sequitor, unless you think Jordan somehow violated his own rights

What I'm saying is that Jordan has no  legal or moral obligation to disclose his health status just because people want to know.