American Secession

[Fuzzy Bear]

It's a horrible idea.  But we'll talk ourselves into it if we work hard enough.

[Fuzzy Bear]

No way in hell, and people advocating for this because they don't want to share a country with cringe leftoids and/or MAGA deplorables have no historical perspective and no sense of responsibility for their countrymen. (normal, sane, patriot)

It would be a disaster for the U.S., and, in spite of what some very stupid people believe, a disaster for the rest of the world as well.

How would it be a disaster for China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran? A lot of countries would benefit from it.

For their ruling classes, it would be great. For the overwhelming masses of non-elites, it would mean unending repression, both covert and overt. Utter worldwide authoritarian oligarchy (or even worse than that), a world of de facto slaves and their masters. But don’t worry the useful idiot brigade will still get to lead the anti-American chants during the daily Two Minutes Hate.

This.

But if we don't back away from Identity Politics, we'll continue in this dangerous direction.

[Fuzzy Bear]

No way in hell, and people advocating for this because they don't want to share a country with cringe leftoids and/or MAGA deplorables have no historical perspective and no sense of responsibility for their countrymen. (normal, sane, patriot)

It would be a disaster for the U.S., and, in spite of what some very stupid people believe, a disaster for the rest of the world as well.

How would it be a disaster for China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran? A lot of countries would benefit from it.

For their ruling classes, it would be great. For the overwhelming masses of non-elites, it would mean unending repression, both covert and overt. Utter worldwide authoritarian oligarchy (or even worse than that), a world of de facto slaves and their masters. But don’t worry the useful idiot brigade will still get to lead the anti-American chants during the daily Two Minutes Hate.

This.

But if we don't back away from Identity Politics, we'll continue in this dangerous direction.

If we don’t focus more on what we all have in common instead of what we don’t - and left, right, center, and the rest are all guilty of failing to do this - then we’ll atomize explosively.

The U.S. is an ill and tarnished knight, but it’s all that’s left standing against Autocracy Inc. I was hoping the EU could rise to be another such force but as Nord Stream and other such things indicate the EU is as ill and tarnished as the U.S.

I do very much believe in this.  How to convince people of this is another issue.  It will not be good, however, if people can't be convinced.