Trump announces Nov. 1 as a day of remembrance for Americans killed by illegal immigrants

[Fuzzy Bear]

I declare Nov 4 to be a day of remembrance for Americans killed by for-profit healthcare. It's a number almost certainly several thousand times+ higher.

Does that include abortions from Planned Parenthood, et al.?

American citizenship is conferred upon birth, so no matter what you think about abortion, those aren't Americans.

Tell that to my grandchild who was aborted.  A grandchild my wife and I would have loved and raised.

One of the more hard-to-take narratives is reading about John Legend and Chrissy Theigen having "lost a son" in a miscarriage recently.  I read about their grief in People magazine while I'm bored on the toilet.  I don't particularly care for those two, and I don't consider bailing out rioters as "working for change" (no matter what they or People magazine think), but I can sympathize with anyone who loses a child.  This couple loved that child and mourned its death and that is both good and right.

But it begs the question of why our aborted grandchild was any less human.  (We weren't even told its gender.)  My late grandchild was just as human as John and Chrissy's son.  Why should our loss be viewed any differently?  Because we're not part of the Glitterati?  Because we're not "working for change"?  Please tell me the difference.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I will also point out that the family of Kate Steinle has been marginalized, as if her life didn't matter.  She was a young woman who is dead because someone who should have been imprisoned and deported was not.  Her Life Mattered.  Her death ought to matter even more.  She wasn't someone who threw bricks through windows or wielded a Molotov Cocktail in the name of "social justice"; she was an ordinary person who obeyed the law and lived her life.  She is far more worth celebrating than many who have been ridiculously lionized. 

[Fuzzy Bear]

I declare Nov 4 to be a day of remembrance for Americans killed by for-profit healthcare. It's a number almost certainly several thousand times+ higher.

Does that include abortions from Planned Parenthood, et al.?

American citizenship is conferred upon birth, so no matter what you think about abortion, those aren't Americans.

Tell that to my grandchild who was aborted.  A grandchild my wife and I would have loved and raised.

Oh my God. Your post is a complete non-sequitur.
Did Santander say in any way that aborted children are less human, or not human? No. He said that they can't be Americans, which is objectively true because American citizenship is conferred upon birth.

I will react to every post that minimizes or marginalizes the complete humanity of the unborn, who are at a state of human development you and I once were at.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I declare Nov 4 to be a day of remembrance for Americans killed by for-profit healthcare. It's a number almost certainly several thousand times+ higher.

Does that include abortions from Planned Parenthood, et al.?

American citizenship is conferred upon birth, so no matter what you think about abortion, those aren't Americans.

Tell that to my grandchild who was aborted.  A grandchild my wife and I would have loved and raised.

Oh my God. Your post is a complete non-sequitur.
Did Santander say in any way that aborted children are less human, or not human? No. He said that they can't be Americans, which is objectively true because American citizenship is conferred upon birth.

I will react to every post that minimizes or marginalizes the complete humanity of the unborn, who are at a state of human development you and I once were at.

But that's not what Santander's post was doing, unless you believe in citizenship rights for foetuses (which is something I have never heard about before).

I consider making that point in that context marginalizing the unborn.

I'm an unabashed pro-lifer, and I will use this forum to advance my views on the humanity of the unborn until the day when it is declared an echo chamber.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I consider making that point in that context marginalizing the unborn.

I'm an unabashed pro-lifer, and I will use this forum to advance my views on the humanity of the unborn until the day when it is declared an echo chamber.

Be careful, Fuzzy. Nothing is more shameful than to claim the blood of others to score political points yourself. If you really want to convince people - and we are doing very, very, very good on this issue on Atlas - this kind of arrogant insistence on bringing it up at every opportunity will be the worst possible way to do so.

Good post.
By the way, could you expand on the bolded part? I have not yet seen anyone 'change sides' on this on Atlas.

I'd like to see that myself.  I can't think of a single person who's changed their views.

I will bring the issue up, and frequently.  Almost every pro-choicer on this forum is pretty closed minded on this.  It is the few who still have the capacity to view every child, chosen or not, as fully human that I seek to convince.

Toning down the abortion argument serves the pro-choicers.  It does not serve the unborn.