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« on: August 21, 2020, 05:57:34 AM »

Trump didn't really endorse them and clearly has no idea who they are except that they support him.  But people like Ropar will say he did endorse them and so Qanon folks will hear that and end up believing it too.

Stop it. What he said was about as explicit a statement of support possible without using the specific word "endorse".

One could factually state the same about the rioters, looters, etc. and the National Democratic Party, based on their silence on the violent activities of Far Leftists (Antifa and BLM) that have caused in the neighborhood of $10 billion dollars.  But, hey, the real problem here is Whataboutism, and not facts.
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2020, 11:09:12 AM »

Trump didn't really endorse them and clearly has no idea who they are except that they support him.  But people like Ropar will say he did endorse them and so Qanon folks will hear that and end up believing it too.

Stop it. What he said was about as explicit a statement of support possible without using the specific word "endorse".

One could factually state the same about the rioters, looters, etc. and the National Democratic Party, based on their silence on the violent activities of Far Leftists (Antifa and BLM) that have caused in the neighborhood of $10 billion dollars.  But, hey, the real problem here is Whataboutism, and not facts.

Nice try, you disingenuous broken record.


Quote from: Joe Biden, 6/2/20
The country is crying out for leadership. Leadership that can unite us. Leadership that can bring us together. Leadership that can recognize the pain and deep grief of communities that have had a knee on their neck for too long.

But there is no place for violence.

No place for looting or destroying property or burning churches, or destroying businesses — many of them built by people of color who for the first time were beginning to realize their dreams and build wealth for their families.

Nor is it acceptable for our police — sworn to protect and serve all people — to escalate tensions or resort to excessive violence.

We need to distinguish between legitimate peaceful protest — and opportunistic violent destruction.

Having made the destruction, Joe Biden did nothing, because it was clear that his base, and the far Left, whose support he needs, said and did nothing of consequence.

The people doing the rioting was clear:  BLM and Antifa were doing the rioting.  There was no statement from Biden then regarding those most responsible for the rioting, and there have been no statements since condemning BLM and Antifa.

That's kind of odd, isn't it.  Donald Trump is constantly pressured to condemn groups in particular (which he has done).  He has repeatedly condemned White Nationalism as a movement.  Nothing Trump says or does on this subject will ever be enough.  So you'll forgive me if I consider Biden's efforts as sufficient.

Rioting, violence, looting, arson, and other criminal activities (including activities toward persons) have been carried out by BLM and Antifa.  This is clear, yet I just saw a political infomercial convention that nominated Biden as our next President that was silent on the riots, pretty much silent on Antifa, and endorsed BLM, one of the perpetrators of the riots or the violence?



Indeed, this Liz Warren and now Joe Biden supporter called for more violence in the streets:




Where's the disavowal of all of this from Biden?  His nominating speech didn't mention the $10 billion dollars of damages the rioting has caused.  There was not a single statement about this; after all, the riots are the product of the vicious identity politics the Democratic Party has birthed and nurtured.  Like this example of Minnesota DFL State Senate candidate John Thompson and his crowd "peacefully protesting at the home of Bob Kroll, a leader of Minneapolis's Police Union:




He wants to be a lawmaker!  Here's Gov. Walz endorsing candidate Thompson:



Joe Biden is the leader of the Democratic Party.  Is he going to repudiate all of this?  He's been silent on the people who are actually pouring gasoline on the fire.  He's posturing himself as some kind of moderate peacemaker.  The problem is Biden isn't a "peacemaker"; he's a coward, and he's a coward at a time when courage is needed.

LBJ and HHH stood up to the entirety of the Southern segregationist bloc of the Democratic Party.  LBJ supported Civil Rights and condemned violence knowing that it would cost the Democratic Party the support of the Southern states.  The South was the Democrats' base, yet these men rejected it for a greater good; even the amoral LBJ took a moral stance that took courage for the greater good.  George H. W. Bush called for the GOP in Louisiana to repudiate David Duke, even in favor of a corrupt Democrat (Edwin Edwards); it was THAT important.  This is the kind of courage needed today; the courage to lose supporters for the National Well Being.  Biden lacks that courage.  That courage would require him to support the sitting President even while disagreeing with him, recognizing that (A) there is only one (1) President at a time, and (B) it is never in the interest of America for our President to fail. 

Biden's statement is the equivilant of the teacher who, watching a bully pummel a weaker kid, yells "Stop it!", but does nothing.  I know a family who experienced just that; their son was sent to an in-school detention for being a minute late to a class, when this other kid (a regular at detention) played the "Who are YOU looking at?" card.  When the kid didn't respond, the other kid charged him and pummeled him in the head.  The teacher in detention did nothing but call for backup.  By that time, the kid getting hit had suffered head injuries, the effects of which he was still experiencing years later.  (To say nothing of PTSD.)  That's Joe Biden right now. 

What is needed now is not someone who can quote the rule book with a flavor of "both sides" thrown in.  What is needed is the ELEMENTARY school teacher who restrained a 4th grader who brought a gun to school, without worrying about the consequences.  (He left teaching after this event, and I suppose I'd think twice as well.)  Joe Biden has no guts.  He's a poser.  There's lots of drivel here about "speaking truth to power".  BLM and Antifa are power centers on the Left, and Joe Biden is terrified of speaking truth to power directly to them.    It's like Obama decrying terrorist violence, but refusing to call out Radical Islamic Terrorists in particular (the perpetrators of the terrorist violence at the time). 

It takes absolutely ZERO courage to call out Donald Trump.  Where's Biden calling out his own?  Where's the condemnation for Ayanna Pressley?  Where's the rebuke of BLM in particular?  Leaders do that when their bases go too far off the chain; where's Biden's "leadership" here?  As I wish to live to 100, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for Biden's Leadership Qualities to manifest themselves, but his gutlessness when moral clarity was (and is) needed explains why he failed miserably in his two (2) prior Presidential runs, and why his present effort is casted as a caretaker for others with more radical plans for America in mind.

Joe Biden knows right from wrong, and he knows the identity of the wrongdoers.  That he won't use his present position to actually do something substantive to ramp down the violence is inexcusable.  Crying "foul" without pointing out who committed the foul is poor refereeing.  It's even worse leadership, especially when you are the Presidential nominee of a major party. 

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