Minneapolis cops slowly murder handcuffed man in front of crowd

[Fuzzy Bear]

We need to separate rioters, protesters, and looters because they are all different and have to be considered as such.
Protesters: people who march out peacefully but vigorously and use their 1st amendment rights to petition for better treatment from the government. They are key in keeping up pressure on the MPD and they should be lauded.
Rioters: the fringe elements disparately connected to the protestors in theory but with different tactics, which involve destroying private property, harming what little remains of civic peace, and literally and figuratively pouring gasoline on the fire.
Looters: opportunistic sorts focused not on any greivances they might have about the status quo but rather using the anarchy to rob people and attack people and steal their belongings.
The first group should not be tarred with the misguided frenzy of the second and the villainous harm of the third. Public order has to be upheld and so does the social contract. The social peace MUST be preserved or else things fall apart.

This, x 10,000

[Fuzzy Bear]

The officers will be in jail for a long long time hopefully. Potentially the rest of their lives.

Here is hoping that anyone who incites riots or commits major property destruction or engages in violence will also be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

My home town of Ferguson will never be the same due to the Michael Brown saga.

This.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Another police officer attacking protestors, this time with a car door:

https://twitter.com/NickAtNews/status/1266537738364477446?s=20

They are not "attacking."
Those are not "protesters."
As the police vehicles are driving by, it looks like these rioters are hitting the windows, trying to break them. This could be dangerous to anyone inside (would you like glass shattering pieces in your face/eyes?)
This looks to be a defensive move to keep these thugs at some distance from their vehicles.

This.

This must not become the means by which these issues are resolved.

[Fuzzy Bear]

This violence has evolved into a separate issue from the murder of George Floyd. We must not let a small group of people in various cities destroy our communities and country.

They are getting people against their cause! This is ing sad because this was the chance we had to get the general public on the side of Black Lives Matter.

That's a nicely convenient outcome for those opposed to BLM, isn't it?

People SHOULD be opposed to BLM.  They are not "liberal" and they are not about "justice".  They are about power through intimidation, and that's a lose-lose for all.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Chauvin needs to get the OJ treatment: get him for everything he's got. If he wins the criminal trial, sue him civilly. If he writes a book about his crimes, have the Floyd family garnish any earnings from the book and take over rights to it. Never let this man see another day where the law isn't on his trail.

Let's make an example out of this pig.

This is never justified.  Never.  There is far more than a dime's worth of difference between justice and vengeance.

Chauvin should receive the penalties appropriate for the crimes he actually is convicted of.  He should pay civil damages for the civil wrongs he is found to have committed.  But he should only be charged with crimes for which there is probable cause.  He should only be convicted if there is guilt established beyond a reasonable doubt; the verdict should not reflect meeting some lower standard such as a preponderance of evidence.  If he is civilly sued, such a verdict should not reflect a desire to punish; it should reflect a preponderance of the evidence supporting his culpability and a preponderance of evidence supporting both Chauvin's fault and damages incurred.

Americans of all colors need to be told that they are NOT entitled to vengeance.  They are entitled to Equal Justice under the Law, and that principle applies in the righting of wrongs (to the extent that the Legal System can actually do this).  They are NOT entitled to charges that are not justified by Probable Cause being filed.  They are not entitled to civil judgements that reflect a desire to punish without regard for actual negligence and actual damages.  Such actions by prosecutors undermine the Rule of Law, the quality of our nation that puts it above all others in so many ways.

We "make examples" out of people at our own peril.  It feels good to some to do this to Derek Chauvin.  Would it actually BE a good thing to do so when that example is used against others whose notoriety is less unanimous?