Israel's BFF calls American Jews "disloyal"

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

You can be both a Zionist and an antisemite.

Most of those evangelicals don't like the Jews and think they'll all burn in hell, they just need them for their end of days prophecy so they'll support them just for that.

But, of course, you don't know that.  It's just a line you post.

As for the earlier quote, that's pretty hard to accomplish.  

As for Trump's comments, they were graceless, and probably not helpful all around.  But American Jews are, from my vantage point, going through the process that Evangelical Christians have gone through in the political arena.

Once upon a time, it didn't matter a lot, from a religious perspective which major political party you identified with.  Indeed, the first "Born Again" President was Jimmy Carter, a Democrat, and Evangelical Christians were as likely to identify as Democrats as they would identify as Republicans.  Initially, the criticisms were of policy; on issues such as abortion.  Over time, however, the contempt the Democratic Party exudes toward Evangelicals is unmistakable.  Evangelical Christians are viewed as a problem, and as a group that should be viewed with contempt.  I"m not going to go on and on with examples of rhetoric (although I will if people wish to actually contest this point), but Evangelicals are now pretty much considered "the ememy" by Democrats.  They are openly disparaged by Democratic candidates, and Democratic candidates propose all sorts of policy initiatives that seek to marginalize Evangelical Christian presence in public life and in the public square.

When I was a Democratic activist in the 1970s and 1980s, the Democratic Party was, by and large, the party of Jewish voters.  Not on the level that, say, black or Hispanic voters are today, but very much moreso than Italian-American voters or even Irish-American voters and Catholic voters in general (who have been trending to the GOP beginning in the Eisenhower years).  The thought that Democratic pols would be supportive of a boycott of Israel was nonsense; this was advocated by only a few outliers (e. g. Sen. James Abouresk of South Dakota, a Democrat who lasted only one term).  

Jewish voters today are often more culturally liberal than Evangelicals, and their ties to the Democratic Party have been due, in no small measure, to the Democrats' historical opposition to anti-Semitism.  So I find it hard to believe that the increasing prominence, not only from "The Squad" (they'll be a non-issue two years from now), but from other "mainstream" Democratic politicians who have given aid and comfort to the anti-Semitic elements of their party isn't a shock to the system for a lot of Jewish Democrats, including some who are clearly in the liberal camp.  You can't stand with David Ben Gurion and the Grand Mufti at the same time.  You cannot stand with the Jewish people of Israel and support boycotting their nation economically.  Trump's comment is off base.  But I do predict that Jewish Democrats, who have, in many states, been a loyal part of their base, have legitimate justification of asking "Where's the love?" and receiving a meaningful answer.  And some blather about loving Jews but hating Bibi, AIPAC, etc. isn't going to cut it.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Anyone from Atlas Blue want to chime in?

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Anyone from Atlas Blue want to chime in?

My official response as a Jewish Atlas Republican:


President Trump's comments toward my Jewish brother and sisters on the centrist and progressive side of the political spectrum were completely unwarranted and reprehensible.

American Jews are loyal to the United States of America and owe no loyalties to any politician, political party or ideology.

President Trump's policies on Israel have been, for the most part, very much welcome and appreciated. However, supporting Israel is not enough.

To be an ally of the Jewish community you must be able to demonstrate a respect for our status as a minority group, a religious-ethnic group and as an independent voter's bloc with diverging attitudes on politics and policy issues.

President Trump, in the past few months, has failed to show respect in all of these categories. Mr. President, we are not a trophy to be put on some useless shelf of political prizes.

We are also not a political weapon against your opponents. It is appalling to me, a lifelong Jewish Republican and supporter of Israel, that you would use us, the US-Israel Relationship, and partisanship as wedge issues in the 2020 election campaign.

Last week, U.S. Congressman Ted Lieu (D-CA) made incredibly insensitive remarks about the US Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman. He essentially accused him of dual loyalties - a purely antisemitic canard.

I passionately called on my progressive Jewish friends to denounce Lieu's comments. Many of them did. And eventually Congressman Lieu apologized.

Apologies are usually not enough, in my opinion, but I am glad to see public pressure forced him to delete his tweet.

Mr. President, you must apologize. You must distance yourself from your own comments. You must, for one damn time, put our country first.


Your comments have hurt the Jewish community and have leaned into a dark form of antisemitism for political points.


This comment, in addition to a host of comments you have over the past month, have made it clear that you are not fit for the office of President of the United States.

I cannot support you any longer. Not unless you change course and put our country first.

I will vote my conscience in 2020.

Not in spite of my Republican values, but because of my Republican Values.
Not in spite of my Jewish values, but because of my Jewish Values.
And not in spite of my support of the US-Israel Relationship, but because of my support for the US-Israel Relationship.

Amazing Post Sunrise,


Sadly though Trump wont change because he puts himself constantly above the nation over and over again , and literally believes anyone who doesnt literally bow down to him are disloyal and unamerican.  The problem is that Un-American belief that Trump has is a core belief of his and he wont change that.

Sadly, I find myself agreeing with much of this.  While I haven't gotten to the point of saying I won't vote for Trump (and I honestly haven't made up my mind yet), he really needs to unequivocally apologize, and I don't think he's capable.  Whatever I think of Trump's enemies, there's something wrong with the inability to ever apologize, or refrain from polarizing.  That he's no worse than Omar or Tlaib or a number of others isn't a defense for his failure in this regard.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Fuzzy is a hypocrite for asking me, A PALESTINIAN to condemn a religious leader long dead, but yet won't condemn Trump's comments about Jews today. I'm pretty sure he's ONLY asking me to because I'm Palestinian

Trump was wrong for what he said.  He should apologize.  Sadly, he won't, and I don't know that he's capable of this.  I've already posted this, and I certainly condemn this statement.  I'll stand by Sunrise's post on this one.  

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Fuzzy is a hypocrite for asking me, A PALESTINIAN to condemn a religious leader long dead, but yet won't condemn Trump's comments about Jews today. I'm pretty sure he's ONLY asking me to because I'm Palestinian

Trump was wrong for what he said.  He should apologize.  Sadly, he won't, and I don't know that he's capable of this.  I've already posted this, and I certainly condemn this statement.  I'll stand by Sunrise's post on this one.  

And you should apologize for your bullying of an American teenager today, solely because he happens to have Palestinian ancestry and 80 years ago a prominent Palestinian liked the Nazis. Sadly, you won't, and I don't know that you're capable of this.

dude is in his 20s hs not a teenager. stop it

The guy spoke about running for public office in Florida next year.  

He'd be running as a Democrat, and I'd actually hold my nose and vote for him because of the putrid state of the RPOF, but if he thinks I'm tough, what's the campaign trail going to be like.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Old white man bullies young person of color, refuses to apologize. How brave you must be, Fuzzy. The paragon of courage right here.

People have confronted me in posts asking me in the same manner if I condemned all sorts of hideous people and movements that I have never supported and people know this.  People have insinuated I support all sorts of things that I would never support, and have never indicated that I supported.  People have engaged, by the pack, in ad hominem attacks on me.  I've yet to have my first apology.  If someone wants to prove me wrong, and can show where this happened, I'll gladly stand corrected. 

So I don't really have a "My bad!" in me right now. 

By the way, why is my race and age important? 

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I know Trump's not an anti-Semite.  But he's not helping here.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I know Trump's not an anti-Semite.  But he's not helping here.

It’s incredible to see you so confidently assert the inner motivations of people you don’t know and will never meet.

You have felt free to guess my inner motivations.  You've never met me, outside of online and on this forum.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I know Trump's not an anti-Semite.  But he's not helping here.

It’s incredible to see you so confidently assert the inner motivations of people you don’t know and will never meet.

You have felt free to guess my inner motivations.  You've never met me, outside of online and on this forum.

I’m not guessing at anything. I’m going off of what you post here. You are as confident that two Democratic congresswomen are unrepentant antisemites as you are that Trump isn’t, apparently based on little to nothing in both cases.

Trump once said, “The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day,” but I guess that doesn’t rate on the Fuzzy anti Semitic scale.

Get real about Tlaib and Omar.  Then, and only then, will you have credibility.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I've got to admit that this is the stupidest thing Trump ever said.  I may still vote for him, but this has certainly changed my opinion of him, personally.

I don't believe Trump is an anti-Semite, and I very much believe that Tlaib and Omar hate both Israel and Jews.  But this was an example of Trump uttering sentiments that people owe him support because he enacted some policies he thought they'd like.  It's not the first time he's done this, and I've filed this stuff away in my head, but this one really showed the consequences of the lack of a filter.