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« on: April 11, 2019, 08:29:20 PM »

Every time I see something about Ilhan Omar I have to check things out to determine (A) what it is she really said, and (B) what idea was she trying to convey.

Ilhan Omar wears her heart on her sleeve, despite efforts to appear cold and unemotional.  Let's look at the statement she made:

Quote from: Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN)
“CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties.”

What is she saying here?  What she's really saying is that the worst thing about 9/11 is the blowback, perceived and real, against Muslim-Americans, and not the attack itself.  What she was really saying is that her main concern was that Muslim-Americans continue to enjoy the individual liberties that this nation guarantees PERSONS (not just citizens), and the worst thing the 9/11 attackers did was put Muslim-Americans in a more vulnerable situation than they were in before 9/11.

Now the 9/11 attackers were Arab Muslims who entered this country and use their time here to fashion a plot that would wreck havoc on our financial and political centers.  Those were the somebodies and that was the something.  Perhaps Ms. Omar was trying to be moderate and not inflame, but this, of course, is the same woman who says that the Jews have hypnotized the World, so I'm not inclined to give her credit for moderation.

No, Ms. Omar said what she could because she is incapable of blaming Muslim Jihadists for anything.  Even if they are Jihadist Terrorists, she cannot call them by name and acknowledge what they did.  If she had said something like "CAIR was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some Muslim Jihidists that represent only a fringe of Islam committed atrocities against America, a land that had welcomed them in, and while we were saddened beyond words as to the horror those people wrought, as American Muslim, we were concerned of the possibility of a public backlash that would assign blame for 9/11 to all Muslims and not just the terrorists responsible, which, in turn, would cause American Musilms to be at risk of  potentially losing access to our civil liberties.”  Such a statement would likely have not generated 1/1,000th the controversy of her actual statement because it would have included Ms. Omar actually blaming Muslim Terrorists for the deaths of Americans and the destruction of their properties.  Omar's hatred of America, however, is such that she probably couldn't even do that. 

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2019, 09:03:32 PM »

Every time I see something about Ilhan Omar I have to check things out to determine (A) what it is she really said, and (B) what idea was she trying to convey

"... and then type out at least four paragraphs demonstrating that I accomplished neither."

Did I (A) act like an adult, or (B) interrupt the Echo Chamber?  Replies like this suggest I did one or the other.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2019, 04:39:49 AM »
« Edited: April 13, 2019, 08:55:34 AM by Fuzzy Bear »


Omar also has a track record of bad mouthing this nation, and saying Anti American stuff so she should not get the benefit of the doubt uness you want to admit she is one of the dumbest members of congress.

I love how the "Context Warriors" have come out of the woodwork on this issue.  Never once have they considered the "context" in which Steve King makes his comments.  And some of Steve King's comments are, indeed taken out of context.  There does come a point where the body of statements and the body of work in public life becomes pretty much conclusive as to what a person really thinks, what their focus is, etc.  (And she got her facts wrong on top of it all; CAIR was founded in 1994, seven years before 9/11.)

Trump's tweet about Omar is wholly justified, and the Democrats who excuse her anti-American sentiments and her anti-Jewish sentiments deserve their own condemnation for refusing to call her out as anti-American.  The threats she receives are wrong, and the people who make them should be prosecuted, but she receives these threats because of the comments she, herself makes, and not because of any reaction to them.  Her comments are comments of purely anti-American sentiment, and they are unforced comments.  

Ilhan Omar is an anti-American American citizen who made it to Congress.  Atlas is an institution where you are not qualified to work as a dishwasher in your local chain restaurant if you are (in the eyes of many here) racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, or xenophobic (by THEIR definitions of those terms; definitions that mainly center around whether one supports the political aims of any and all of these individual groups).  But, according to most of Atlas, being anti-American, disliking America, having nothing but criticism for it and wishing it ill is something to be celebrated and exalted.  And Omar is exalted by these folks because her comments about America and Americans are things they can (and do, in many cases) celebrate.  

You're either pro-America or anti-America.  You either wish for America to succeed, or you wish to tear it down and "start over".  Omar does not wish for America to succeed.  She came here not of love for America, but for furtherance of her own agendas.  If we're going to stop pretending that Steve King isn't un-American, we ought to stop pretending Ilhan Omar isn't anti-American.  That is, if we wish to be honest with ourselves.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2019, 01:48:38 PM »

Talk about taking a quote out of context, lol.

Where are the context police here, where there's a real "crime"?
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2019, 01:54:10 PM »

Omar should not have described the 9/11 attacks in such a dismissive and disrespectful way. I watched that video Trump in that video was clearly responding to her describing the 9/11 attacks in a dismissive and disrespectful way. She could have made her point in any other way but she decided to make this one which either makes her comments either outrageous or extremely stupid .

Sounds to me like you're saying that she deserves these death threats all because she said something (she didn't) that triggered you MAGAtard snowflakes. One step closer to full-on fascism!  

And yes, these things play well with the Republican electorate and with many Independents - so Trump might get a boost because of it. Americans have not forgotten 9/11 and certainly want no Muslim extremist traitors in Congress.

1. She is not a "Muslim extremist traitor" (whatever that means)
2. It doesn't matter what "Americans" allegedly want and don't want as it was the people of Minnesota's 5th Congressional District who DID elect her to Congress.

Methinks the deplorables just hate the messenger more than the message.

I despise the messenger because of the contents of her many toxic messages. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2019, 02:25:57 PM »

I'll cut her some slack as to the above.  She's already shown herself as anti-American; we probably shouldn't pile on with things like this.  I've heard enough from her to know where here heart is, and where it is not.
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2019, 02:30:01 PM »

I'll cut her some slack as to the above.  She's already shown herself as anti-American; we probably shouldn't pile on with things like this.  I've heard enough from her to know where here heart is, and where it is not.

If she didn’t have the D next to her name I wonder how many people would defend her

If she had an R next to her name, some here would be begging her to switch parties.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2019, 03:04:34 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2019, 03:10:12 PM by Fuzzy Bear »

I'll cut her some slack as to the above.  She's already shown herself as anti-American; we probably shouldn't pile on with things like this.  I've heard enough from her to know where here heart is, and where it is not.

LOL.
You talking about where people's "heart is" is comical.
We all know that your heart is filled with hate.
Sad for a supposed Evangelical Christian.

Jesus said to "Love your enemies."  He said that it's no big deal to love those who love you.  He pointed out that the Pharisees and Sadducees at least did that.

I will confess that I have replied to your snark with likewise snark.  That is not Loving My Enemy, so I will not do so here.  I will point out that you have consistently attacked me, on a personal level and in a slanderous and libelous manner.  That, too, I shall forgive.  Indeed, I shall no longer advocate for you being banned, to the point of renouncing my previous statements on the subject.  You may well have deserved it, of course, but we all deserve Hell; it was Christ who paid OUR sin penalty so we would not have to bear that penalty for OUR sins (not His).

In doing so, I will also suggest that you have never even attempted to live up to that particular standard of Jesus.  Perhaps you can start here.  As mistaken as you are, God created you and loves you.  As deluded as she is, God created Ilhan Omar and loves her.  As vain and narcissistic as he is, God created Donald Trump and loves him.  And whether it was His Will or not that Trump be elected President, or that Omar be a member of the House of Representatives, these are certainly events that He could have stopped and chose not to.

Perhaps you can actually interact with people, instead of being a mere echo chamber reinforcer.  Perhaps you could actually think that there is another side to an issue besides your particular viewpoints.  More importantly, perhaps you could recognize that, whatever the imperfections of individual Christians, Christ is calling YOU to Salvation.  He's calling you NOW.  He has sent far more imperfect messengers than I to far more skeptical venues than Atlas.  But this is your time and place, friend!

https://christiansitesonline.org/

Quote from: Romans 10:8-13
8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart,”d that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

11It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”e 12For there is no difference between Jew and Greek: The same Lord is Lord of all, and gives richly to all who call on Him, 13for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”f

No one is promised tomorrow.  You may be young and healthy and head out on California's roads today while an intoxicated driver runs the red light at the intersection where you just got a green light.  This is about eternity.  Nothing is more important.

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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2019, 03:07:10 PM »

Every person screaming about context has not afforded "context" as a reason for saying anything over the past 4 years so forgive me for not taking you remotely seriously as arguing in good faith now.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2019, 03:12:51 PM »


Actually, Jesus made Fishers of Men out of some rather unsavory individuals. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2019, 03:27:33 PM »

Omar is not an anti-Semite. The end. The white supremacist Nazis at the charlotesville rally, who trump called very fine people are. Case closed!

You're half right.  Actually, you're only 1/3 right.  1/3 you're flat out wrong and the other 1/3 requires intervention from the Context Police.
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