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« on: December 30, 2018, 06:03:16 PM »


Let's engage in a little thought experiment.  What if Puerto Rico had gained independence back in 1952 instead of ts current status? 

Bush 43 would have carried Florida by a margin large enough to have not required the kind of recount drama that occurred.

Gore carried Osceola County by 1,950 votes; this was due to a massive Hispanic inmigration to that county in the 1990s.  A large majority of these folks were Puerto Ricans.  To that margin you would have to add the large number of Puerto Ricans that migrated to Orange County (Orlando) to resettle.

Migration from Puerto Rico to Florida is one reason Florida is far more Democratic at the Presidential level than it was in 1988.
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2018, 09:14:42 PM »


Let's engage in a little thought experiment.  What if Puerto Rico had gained independence back in 1952 instead of its current status? 

Bush 43 would have carried Florida by a margin large enough to have not required the kind of recount drama that occurred.


You're assuming an independent Puerto Rico wouldn't have caused all sorts of butterflies in the region. For instance, the Cuban Revolution might have turned out differently so that fewer Cubans ended up in South Florida.

The Cuban Exiles of the 1960s onward were looking to America, only 90 miles away. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2019, 04:59:27 PM »


English is an official language of the island, and I am Puerto Rican and a native speaker of English. They don't want to abandon Spanish in lieu of English, but speak English all the same, or are you going to argue that we should start kicking out states or parts of the country that have majority Spanish (or other than English) speakers? Wisconsin was dominated by German speakers at one point. Should it had been refused admission to the states? Squinting

Again, you're not even bothering to step outside your bubble, as I predicted initially. So this is my last response to you unless you say something worth responding to rather than cycling through the same tired lines.

English is AN official language of Puerto Rico, but not THE official language.  This would make it unique, in that English is the sole language of business and government for all 50 states.  Yes, there were communities in North Dakota that spoke German, and only German, in daily life, but English was still the language of business and government.

I would like to see Puerto Rico as our 51st state, but it should be on a basis where the rest of America does not have to learn Spanish to accommodate Puerto Rico.  It is the responsibility of the entity that wishes to join the Union to make accommodations, not the other way around.  I'm all for people being multi-lingual, but it's not a requirement of American life and shouldn't become one.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2019, 05:09:41 PM »


English is an official language of the island, and I am Puerto Rican and a native speaker of English. They don't want to abandon Spanish in lieu of English, but speak English all the same, or are you going to argue that we should start kicking out states or parts of the country that have majority Spanish (or other than English) speakers? Wisconsin was dominated by German speakers at one point. Should it had been refused admission to the states? Squinting

Again, you're not even bothering to step outside your bubble, as I predicted initially. So this is my last response to you unless you say something worth responding to rather than cycling through the same tired lines.

English is AN official language of Puerto Rico, but not THE official language.  This would make it unique, in that English is the sole language of business and government for all 50 states.  Yes, there were communities in North Dakota that spoke German, and only German, in daily life, but English was still the language of business and government.

I would like to see Puerto Rico as our 51st state, but it should be on a basis where the rest of America does not have to learn Spanish to accommodate Puerto Rico.  It is the responsibility of the entity that wishes to join the Union to make accommodations, not the other way around.  I'm all for people being multi-lingual, but it's not a requirement of American life and shouldn't become one.

They don't have to? Having is as AN official language means that it can 100% operate in English OR Spanish if it needs to. For further exemplification, consider the table below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Official_languages_of_U.S._states_and_territories

Alaska has over 10 official languages, and English is not among those. Hawaii has more than one official language, with English being one of them (parallel to Puerto Rico). Over a dozen states, including OH, LA, NY, NM, NY, etc., do not have English as their official language at all.

I realize that there is no "official" of the United States, nor is there an "official" language of most states. 

English is the language of business and government, however, and no American citizen should ever be in a position of having to learn another language in order to be able to function in business and education in America.  Anywhere in America. 

What's more, when an American citizen moves from one state to another, they should be operating on the understanding that they will be required to do business and be educated in English. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2019, 05:13:33 PM »


English is an official language of the island, and I am Puerto Rican and a native speaker of English. They don't want to abandon Spanish in lieu of English, but speak English all the same, or are you going to argue that we should start kicking out states or parts of the country that have majority Spanish (or other than English) speakers? Wisconsin was dominated by German speakers at one point. Should it had been refused admission to the states? Squinting

Again, you're not even bothering to step outside your bubble, as I predicted initially. So this is my last response to you unless you say something worth responding to rather than cycling through the same tired lines.

English is AN official language of Puerto Rico, but not THE official language.  This would make it unique, in that English is the sole language of business and government for all 50 states.  Yes, there were communities in North Dakota that spoke German, and only German, in daily life, but English was still the language of business and government.

I would like to see Puerto Rico as our 51st state, but it should be on a basis where the rest of America does not have to learn Spanish to accommodate Puerto Rico.  It is the responsibility of the entity that wishes to join the Union to make accommodations, not the other way around.  I'm all for people being multi-lingual, but it's not a requirement of American life and shouldn't become one.

They don't have to? Having is as AN official language means that it can 100% operate in English OR Spanish if it needs to. For further exemplification, consider the table below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Official_languages_of_U.S._states_and_territories

Alaska has over 10 official languages, and English is not among those. Hawaii has more than one official language, with English being one of them (parallel to Puerto Rico). Over a dozen states, including OH, LA, NY, NM, NY, etc., do not have English as their official language at all.

I realize that there is no "official" of the United States, nor is there an "official" language of most states. 

English is the language of business and government, however, and no American citizen should ever be in a position of having to learn another language in order to be able to function in business and education in America.  Anywhere in America. 

What's more, when an American citizen moves from one state to another, they should be operating on the understanding that they will be required to do business and be educated in English. 

It is no different in Puerto Rico than any state with English as an official language, and you could argue Puerto Rico is much better positioned than all of those states that don't even have English as an official language or, in the case of Alaska, have many other languages as an official language, while English is not.

Well, I'm all for statehood, all things considered.
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