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Fuzzy Bear
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« on: December 06, 2017, 09:20:39 PM »

Absolutely not!

I'm not a big Clarence Thomas fan, but this issue was fully examined when Thomas was appointed.  There are elements of "He said, She said" in all of this, and much heresay, which is not to say Anita Hill was lying.

This whole issue reeks of Billy Hayes's treatment in Midnight Express.  Hayes was the guy who got 3 years in a Turkish Prison for some Hashish, but then, through the workings of the Turkish legal system, his sentence was overturned, and he was given 30 years on a higher charge of smuggling (for the same event).

For much of America, Hayes was a hero (or, at least, a victor).  Folks had mixed feelings about him in my home town, however.  Hayes was a local boy and his story hit the local weekly paper before it was national news.  And folks were conflicted; some saw him as an American getting a raw deal, while some saw him as a guy who was intending to bring drugs home from abroad to THEIR hometown.  And there's the issue of whether or not the Turks have the right to their own Justice System.  I don't want their justice system, but Hayes is of the right age to where he must have seen the public service ads that said, "If your busted for drugs over there, you're in for the hassle of your life."

It's done and over.  Clarence Thomas ought to be done and over; there's no new information now than there was years ago, just as there was no new information when Turkey decided to give him an additional 30 years in stir.  It's one thing to take a stance based on "going forward".  It's another thing to re-litigate decided matters, and especially given the political motivation behind them.  

Besides, for the liberal schemers with a sneaky motive hiding behind a good one, Thomas isn't a young man anymore.  Do liberals really want to drive a 69 year old off the bench to be replaced by a 45 year old conservative?  Even the schemers haven't thought this one through.
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 12:20:18 PM »

The fact that a Democratic controlled Senate confirmed a judge as crooked as Thomas and a pervert like Thomas to the Supreme Court boggles my mind.

I mean, Ted Kennedy and Daniel Inouye were in the Democratic controlled Senate at the time, so it's not like they had standards.

Thomas was confirmed (narrowly) thanks to such conservadem Senators like Boren.

There was no reason to reject Clarence Thomas.

There was no reason to reject Robert Bork.

There was no reason not to grant a hearing on Merrick Garland, and no reason not to confirm him.

Not until the Abortion question was the ideology of a nominee the big issue.  FDR appointed Justices who would uphold his New Deal legislation, but they digressed in other areas.  Truman appointed surprisingly conservative jurists (Tom Clark, Fred Vinson) and his other appointments were only moderately "liberal".  Eisenhower appointed the great liberals (Earl Warren, Warren Brennan) to go along with two (2) centrists (Potter Stewart, John M. Harlan) and one clear conservative (Charles Whittaker), while JFK appointed the rather conservative Byron White to go with liberal Arthur Goldberg.  LBJ's appointments were liberals, but each had their own specialties.  Abe Fortas was considered the most brilliant legal mind ever to graduate Yale Law School.  Thurgood Marshall was an icon of the Civil Rights movement.  LBJ's third appointment, Rep. Homer Thornberry (D-TX) was a crony appointment, that failed when Fortas's Chief Justice appointment was rejected.  Thornberry was Fortas's proposed replacement, and it is clear that he would have been a relatively conservative appointment from a Democratic President. 

It was Nixon who started the politicization of SCOTUS appointments.  Burger and Rehnquist were reliable conservatives to the end; Powell was center-right and Blackmun went from one of the most conservative to one of the more liberal (the last real "surprise" appointment).  Ford's appointment of John Paul Stevens was a non-political appointment, as was Bush 41's appointment of David Souter. 

It was not until the Reagan years that the SCOTUS appointment issue became full-bore ideological.  Reagan, Bush 41, and Bush 43 appointed clear conservatives, whereas Clinton and Obama appointed only clear liberals.  Trump, in and of himself, would probably appoint more eclectic appointments, but in this environment, he's got to consider the GOP Senate Caucus and what it is now.  (Trump would probably appoint 11 Anthony Kennedys if it were up to him.) 

Thomas was a unique appointment; a black conservative.  There were Senators with Presidential ambitions, or Vice Presidential ambitions, from Southern states who were Democrats, and they were concerned about how they would be viewed in voting against a black nominee.  For Southern Democrats, voting for Thomas's confirmation was a chance to support a black nominee without offending conservatives; a win-win.  There was, also, an undercurrent of thought that suggested that, because he was black, Thomas would not be as conservative a jurist as was promised.  That, of course, turned out to be totally off base.  For better or worse; Thomas is what he says he was.

To call Thomas a pervert is unfair to the point of slander and libel. 

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2017, 08:16:05 PM »

Is it now the rule that every unproven accusation is automatically to be believed now? Is there any more evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Clarence Thomas now than when he was confirmed? No. Likewise, there is no more evidence that Bill Clinton is a rapist than there was in the 90s. The attempts by partisans of both sides to go back further and further grasping at straws only distracts from the real issues.

But, by all means, get rid of him. Trump can appoint a younger successor who can be around even longer.

This isn't about justice; it's about deposing Trump.

All of this is about opposing Trump.  This me-too movement is about keeping Trump's unproven accusers in the limelight, just as much as the Mueller investigation is all about making all of Trump's tax returns public, and fodder for campaigns.

Do we know everything about Trump?  Of course not!  Do we know everything about Obama and Tony Reszko?  Of course not!  Do we know everything about Hillary and Russian Uranium?  Of course not!

Government these days seems to be all about "investigations".  Not about solving any problems.  The "investigations" only beg questions for more "investigations".  But we have no more morality or ethics in government when it all shakes out than when we started.  We have more investigations, more special counsels, more special prosecutions, more Congressional hearings than ever, and, yet, our government grows more corrupt and for sale by the day.
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