Why isn't Hollywood turning against Harvey Weinstein?

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The rule in Hollywood is the same as the rule in Washington:  Never say anything negative about an insider in public.

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Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime. 

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk. 

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

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Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime. 

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk. 

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

So Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, yet Trump is president? What about the women who came forward against Trump? What did they get? Nothing but to see him elected as the most powerful man in the world. Perhaps these women who knew about Weinstein were collaborators, and to blame for his behavior. Or perhaps they merely realized that what happened to Trump's accusers would also happen to them.

If these women want to bring suit against Trump, bring it on. 

I'm amazed how they all went away.  I noted that they surfaced at the same time a number of intelligence community figures began to endorse Hillary Clinton.  I also know that Allen Dulles once said that the best covert operations were the ones that remained secret "from inception to eternity".  Now I don't know about you, but I don't think that the emergence of "accusers" that have miraculously disappeared is the kind of covert operation that would tax the abilities of the "Spies for Clinton" committee.

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Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime.  

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk.  

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

So Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, yet Trump is president? What about the women who came forward against Trump? What did they get? Nothing but to see him elected as the most powerful man in the world. Perhaps these women who knew about Weinstein were collaborators, and to blame for his behavior. Or perhaps they merely realized that what happened to Trump's accusers would also happen to them.

If these women want to bring suit against Trump, bring it on.  

I'm amazed how they all went away.  I noted that they surfaced at the same time a number of intelligence community figures began to endorse Hillary Clinton.  I also know that Allen Dulles once said that the best covert operations were the ones that remained secret "from inception to eternity".  Now I don't know about you, but I don't think that the emergence of "accusers" that have miraculously disappeared is the kind of covert operation that would tax the abilities of the "Spies for Clinton" committee.

One of them has brought a suit. Trump's lawyers have argued he can't be sued. In any case, why couldn't Weinstein say the same thing? "If these women want to bring a suit, bring it on. It's amazing they didn't speak out for 20 years. etc." Are you say it's unfair he was fired from his own company when a suit hasn't been concluded?

If there is probable cause for some of the allegations I've heard against Weinstein, he should be charged with a crime.

He's not going to be charged with any crimes, however.  Whatever his guilt or innocence, the Weinstein matter is going to be one about folks seeking civil awards.

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Most celebrities turned very quickly against Cosby once the allegations against him came out, but they've been rather silent on Harvey Weinstein. Why is that?

The accusations against Cosby were known about for like 20 years at least.

Anyway, is Weinstein accused of rape? Being accused of sexually harassment is very different than being accused of rape. Especially if you give the people you sexually harassed like a million dollars each. If your boss tells you "nice ass", that's bad but I think if he gives you a million bucks afterwards it kind of cancels out the badness.

I just saw a news segment on Weinstein.  The allegation, if true, would be a crime.  

I watched Judi Dench and Meryl Streep comment on Weinstein today.  These are folks that would knock over little old church ladies to get to a microphone to blast Trump for ogling some beach babe 20 years ago, but they sure are deliberate about Weinstein, and it begs the question why?

One reason, of course, is that these folks have business relationships with Weinstein, and the company he founded that has now pushed him out.  But the real reason is that all of these folks coming forward now have known what Weinstein has been doing for a long time.  Think about it; all the feminist whiners of Hollywood have known about Weinstein for years, maybe decades, but they're "coming forward" now, once others have taken the risk.  

What does it say about these folks' "feminist" principles?  Silent in the face of decades of Weinstein.  Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, but there will be a whole lot of folks coming forward that had the ability to say something long ago and didn't.  Could Weinstein have "ruined" them?  The latecomers coming forward who knew all along what was going on are collaborators with Weinstein, whether they believe themselves to be or not.

So Weinstein's a creep and deserves what he gets, yet Trump is president? What about the women who came forward against Trump? What did they get? Nothing but to see him elected as the most powerful man in the world. Perhaps these women who knew about Weinstein were collaborators, and to blame for his behavior. Or perhaps they merely realized that what happened to Trump's accusers would also happen to them.

If these women want to bring suit against Trump, bring it on.  

I'm amazed how they all went away.  I noted that they surfaced at the same time a number of intelligence community figures began to endorse Hillary Clinton.  I also know that Allen Dulles once said that the best covert operations were the ones that remained secret "from inception to eternity".  Now I don't know about you, but I don't think that the emergence of "accusers" that have miraculously disappeared is the kind of covert operation that would tax the abilities of the "Spies for Clinton" committee.

One of them has brought a suit. Trump's lawyers have argued he can't be sued. In any case, why couldn't Weinstein say the same thing? "If these women want to bring a suit, bring it on. It's amazing they didn't speak out for 20 years. etc." Are you say it's unfair he was fired from his own company when a suit hasn't been concluded?

If there is probable cause for some of the allegations I've heard against Weinstein, he should be charged with a crime.

He's not going to be charged with any crimes, however.  Whatever his guilt or innocence, the Weinstein matter is going to be one about folks seeking civil awards.

That doesn't answer the question. Is it fair that he's being fired from his own company when no legal judgements have been handed down? Hollywood may be an ugly and sexist place, but at least it has enough shame to kick Weinstein to the curb once the accusations about his behavior become public. That the GOP still swears fealty to Trump as their nominee and POTUS despite his self-admitted behavior is even worse. That's for the whole world to see, by the way. A Pakistani man who sexually assaults his wife can argue "even the president of the United States did it, why can't I?"

To answer the question, "Is it fair?", depends on the totality of circumstances.

Weinstein isn't a mere employee, and he likely was pushed out of the plane with a golden parachute.  That's a lot different than an ordinary employee of a company getting fired because he commented on somebody's figure in an inappropriate way.  Companies do the Weinsteins like this to minimize liability all the time.

Is it fair?  In and of itself, no, but Weinstein, while a private citizen, also has power and perks that you or I don't enjoy on our jobs.

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Hollywood is downright scummy. They gave an Oscar to someone who couldn't step foot into the United States because he raped a 13 y/o girl. The world would be better off without this elite class.

I'll agree with this.

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Who is Harvey Weinstein and why should I care?

If you've managed to miss this entire story (or his entire career) until now, the explanation will not be worth the payoff.

Or, if your search engine is broken: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Harvey+Weinstein

Actually, I have seen the story, although, fortunately, I hadn't heard of him until the media started going apesh**t over it. My comment wasn't to be taken literally, my point being that it is 100% not the least bit important, just like all the gossip stories the media covers, and just like the hype of the NFL non story. I am only interested in news that matters and this story obviously doesn't. The media is becoming more and more like the National Enquirer, all nonsense all the time. (not literally, but you get my point).

You think powerful men abusing women is "not important"?

I didn't say that. You obviously entirely missed my point.

You called it an unimportant gossip story. I don't think sexual harassment and rape is gossip, they're criminal acts. Since it is part of a pattern that is repeated across society it's also important.

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I am awaiting the results of the NYPD investigation.