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Fuzzy Bear
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« on: December 24, 2016, 01:11:44 PM »

I think the argument should've been that Trump isn't that different from many politicians in a key way (promising things he can't deliver). Not sure how well that would've worked if Clinton was the one making the argument, but it's clear that arguing Trump was completely different from any other politician helped him enormously.

Hillary's courtship of republicans was against the advice of the DNC which had warned her not to do it. The DNC told her campaign that it was hurting Democratic downballot performance.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/137093/clinton-campaign-decision-made-may-doom-down-ballot-democrats

Now of course, the leaks themselves are another factor, with Putin slamming the democrats, and praising Trump, would he have even released the emails to help a generic republican candidate even more anti-russian than Hillary? Of course not. So, no DNC leaks, which would've helped dems with their turnout.

The Clintons are selfish and don't actually care about electing down ticket Democrats. Before Bill won, the House had been Democratic for 38 years.
This is somewhat unfair to Bill Clinton, and even Hillary; they have done much for downballot Democrats over the years.  If they had not done so, they would not have had the kind of structural advantages over Sanders Hillary enjoyed in the primaries.  The going in the tank for Hillary by the DNC was a pretty big "Thank you!" for years of service.

The house shifted to the GOP in 1994 in no small part due to reapportionment in the South, where blacks were consolidated into "black districts" and white Democrats were unable to prevail without the infusion of black support that had previously put them over the top.  Liberals were all for this when they thought the South would continue to elect Democrats to Congress, but when the end of the process was a dominant GOP and a Democratic Party that was mostly black, they weren't so fond of the idea.
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2016, 03:26:32 PM »

What Hillary was doing was a redux of Richard Nixon's 1972 campaign, where he campaigned actively to Democrats, telling them that McGovern was an aberration, running most of his campaign as "Democrats for Nixon" with non-Southern Democrats (for the most part) coming out for Nixon, while benefitting from the Southern Democrats' distaste for McGovern and their appreciation for Nixon's support on social issues.

The difference was that Southern Democrats came to like Nixon, and Northern Democrats For Nixon came to, indeed, view McGovern as an aberration.  Republicans, however, could not bring themselves to endorse Hillary; most of them were #NeverTrump, and many of them came around to the point of grudgingly voting for Trump.  Whatever their feelings for Trump were/are, they didn't want to be blamed for Hillary's triumph, and a number of them saw that they'd be toast if they caused Hillary to win.
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