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« on: November 25, 2016, 11:12:40 AM »

If you told me that the Democrats won the Popular Presidential vote and gained seats in the House and Senate, I'd think they'd have had an OK night. 

They lost 2 Senate seats they could have won (PA and WI), but in reality, McGinty wasn't that strong a candidate, and Feingold had already lost to Johnson.  Feingold lost in the Tommy Thompson tradition; he was seen as a has-been.  Toomey was a solid incumbent and Johnson was a better candidate than he was made out to be.  As for other possibilities, Burr, Rubio, and Portman were all in far better shape than they were expected to be.  (In FL, Patrick Murphy really did turn out to be a poor candidate, the Dems would have done better to nominate a bomb-thrower like Grayson.)

What happened was that the GOP moved to the middle.  Political moderates now have a home in the GOP, while they've been shoved out of the Democratic Party.  And the Democrats don't seem to have a clue about this.  If you're a pro-life union member, which party will you support?  If you're for greater aid to education but skittish on Obamacare, which party will you support?  If you're pro-choice, but you don't buy into expansion of the welfare state, who will you support?  Think about it; which way will these people fall once it comes down to that "binary choice"?

The GOP became the party that decided that half a loaf is better than none at all.  Half a Republican is better than no Republican at all.  At least for the White House.  Because half a Democrat (Jimmy Carter) became a full-fledged Democrat for re-election (although his party didn't recognize this in time).  How the Democrats will win majorities without backing away from their leftish positions (and, especially, their cultural leftism) is beyond me.  They'll be stuck with the liberal enclaves, but the Silent Majority that had voted for them in recent years will stay with the GOP. 
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2016, 02:36:42 PM »

Lol at the arrogance of Republicans in general. I don't think most Republcian voters even care about the major issues at hand; they just wanted Trump to beat Hillary. Lets see what the country is like in two years. I think it's pretty obvious that Trump isn't going to bring back a single coal mining job, or a manufacturing job in the Rust Belt. Do people not realize that he outsourced jobs at his own companies?

I accept the results of the election and i'm not mad, but Trump clearly came along at the perfect time and ran against the perfect candidate. Biden or Sanders would have held onto the Rust Belt and won the election in my opinion though.

Oh and by the way, the Rust Belt is full of swing voters; don't assume that it is lost based on the results of one election.

So Republicans, you can be arrogant all you want. Just realize that your arrogance and gloating over beating Hillary Clinton do nothing for your futures or the futures of your children; Trump and the Republicans actually have to put forth a plan and govern. If they don't, well then you can kiss any chance he has of reelection goodbye, and you can also kiss Republican majorities goodbye.

Trump can, and will, enact policies that will increase jobs in coal and oil.  At a minimum, he will stop the loss of coal jobs, however temporary that may prove to be.

I don't expect him to bring jobs back, at least not immediately.  But I think he can, and will, take action to stop the flow of jobs outside the US. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2016, 02:54:01 PM »

Lol at the arrogance of Republicans in general. I don't think most Republcian voters even care about the major issues at hand; they just wanted Trump to beat Hillary. Lets see what the country is like in two years. I think it's pretty obvious that Trump isn't going to bring back a single coal mining job, or a manufacturing job in the Rust Belt. Do people not realize that he outsourced jobs at his own companies?

I accept the results of the election and i'm not mad, but Trump clearly came along at the perfect time and ran against the perfect candidate. Biden or Sanders would have held onto the Rust Belt and won the election in my opinion though.

Oh and by the way, the Rust Belt is full of swing voters; don't assume that it is lost based on the results of one election.

So Republicans, you can be arrogant all you want. Just realize that your arrogance and gloating over beating Hillary Clinton do nothing for your futures or the futures of your children; Trump and the Republicans actually have to put forth a plan and govern. If they don't, well then you can kiss any chance he has of reelection goodbye, and you can also kiss Republican majorities goodbye.

Trump can, and will, enact policies that will increase jobs in coal and oil.  At a minimum, he will stop the loss of coal jobs, however temporary that may prove to be.

I don't expect him to bring jobs back, at least not immediately.  But I think he can, and will, take action to stop the flow of jobs outside the US. 
So he will allow for mine owners to kill more of their workers in order to keep alive an industry that already is dead?  Good on him and his work to the common man.

Coal miners know the risks they take.  Their work is high-risk; that's why the pay is good.

I'm not blind to climate change, but the fact, as of now, is that while America (and the World, for that matter) has ALTERNATIVES to fossil fuels, they do not have a SUBSTITUTE for fossil fuels.  Something to think about for folks who elevate environmentalism to the level of a New Age religion.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2016, 09:48:46 PM »

Lol at the arrogance of Republicans in general. I don't think most Republcian voters even care about the major issues at hand; they just wanted Trump to beat Hillary. Lets see what the country is like in two years. I think it's pretty obvious that Trump isn't going to bring back a single coal mining job, or a manufacturing job in the Rust Belt. Do people not realize that he outsourced jobs at his own companies?

I accept the results of the election and i'm not mad, but Trump clearly came along at the perfect time and ran against the perfect candidate. Biden or Sanders would have held onto the Rust Belt and won the election in my opinion though.

Oh and by the way, the Rust Belt is full of swing voters; don't assume that it is lost based on the results of one election.

So Republicans, you can be arrogant all you want. Just realize that your arrogance and gloating over beating Hillary Clinton do nothing for your futures or the futures of your children; Trump and the Republicans actually have to put forth a plan and govern. If they don't, well then you can kiss any chance he has of reelection goodbye, and you can also kiss Republican majorities goodbye.

Trump can, and will, enact policies that will increase jobs in coal and oil.  At a minimum, he will stop the loss of coal jobs, however temporary that may prove to be.

I don't expect him to bring jobs back, at least not immediately.  But I think he can, and will, take action to stop the flow of jobs outside the US.  

And how does he plan to do that when a majority of the Republicans in congress support these free trade deals he is supposedly against? This isn't like the Apprentice where he can just fire whoever he doesn't like, he actually has to work with congress. My guess is that he won't be this revolutionary that so many of his voters think he will be; he will just blindly follow his cabinet and also congress and it will be business as usual with the middle class and poor getting screwed and the wealthy benefiting from large tax cuts.

Trump is remaking the GOP in an Eisenhower-Nixon mold.  It will be a center-right party, with an emphasis on the center.  It will be the clear choice for moderates, unless the Democrats change their current tune radically.

What you've been seeing from the GOP in recent years is over.  Trump changed the party by bringing out it's obscured constituency that had less influence than its numbers until this year.  The days of GOP primaries being a matter of deciding who the purest conservative is are O-V-E-R!!!
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2016, 07:09:12 AM »

Only in America can the party that got more votes not only lose, but also be told that they're the ones that need to change.

We will not compromise our progressive values because of the ignorant rural whites.

And the Clinonistas wonder why they lost.  Ignorant millennials lacking respect for working people while whining and running their mouths.

I don't really mean the second half of that sentence; people had the same opinion of me and my generation when we were young know-it-alls.  But folks like the previous poster have no idea how offensive they really are to folks that are as much a part of America as they are.  (And far more a part of America than the illegal aliens on display at the Democratic National Convention.)
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