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dspNY
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« on: June 20, 2024, 10:46:45 AM »

Emerson has a 2 point GOP bias. Remember to take that into account. The Minnesota poll looks worrying although the other Minnesota polls had Biden leading by 4 and 6

Party ID for each state:

AZ: R+4
GA: R+5
MI: Even
MN: D+1
NV: D+3
PA: R+1
WI: R+3

All of these except for NV are too R-leaning.

Arizona is usually between even and R+3
Georgia is usually between even and R+3
Michigan is usually between D+2 and D+5
Minnesota is usually between D+3 and D+7
Nevada is about right at D+3
Pennsylvania is usually between D+1 and D+4 (even accounting for R registration gains)
Wisconsin is usually between even and D+2 or D+3
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2024, 11:27:57 AM »
« Edited: June 20, 2024, 11:31:36 AM by dspNY »

Emerson has a 2 point GOP bias. Remember to take that into account.

Biases for pollsters are not necessarily the same from year to year. You should not just blindingly add +2 to a poll on that basis. It is true that 538 for example makes adjustments to polls, but they do so on the basis of a consistently applied methodology which on average is neutral. I don't see you going into all the other threads for polls where this would shift things the other direction and consistently reminding everyone to "take into account the Dem bias," and if you are not doing that, you cannot validly do so here.


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Party ID for each state:

AZ: R+4
GA: R+5
MI: Even
MN: D+1
NV: D+3
PA: R+1
WI: R+3

All of these except for NV are too R-leaning.

Party ID is not a stable variable. You are doing literally the same thing as Republican Romney 2012 unskewers.

It can be sensible to look at things other things such as recalled vote in a previous election (2020) as a sanity check, but just because party ID is a bit off from what you might expect does not mean that a poll is wrong.

Emerson predicted Senators Masters, Oz and Laxalt last cycle. They also predicted Ron Johnson and Ted Budd winning by 5 points when they won by 1 and 3 respectively. Forgive me for thinking Emerson is crap. Emerson is systematically off as a pollster at the moment
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dspNY
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2024, 11:49:54 AM »

Other examples of Emerson’s systematic failure as a pollster from last cycle:

They had Bennet winning CO-Sen by 7 and he won by 14.
They had Blumenthal winning CT-Sen by 12 and he won by 15.
They had Duckworth winning IL-Sen by 10 and she won by 15.
They had Hassan winning NH-Sen by 4 and she won by 9.
They had Ryan losing OH-Sen by 9 and he lost by 6.
They had Murray winning WA-Sen by 9 and she won by 15.

In the high profile senate races that were close or expected to be close last cycle, the only one they got right was GA. Every other race they polled that was considered competitive was heavily biased to the GOP.
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