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DC Al Fine
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« on: January 26, 2021, 09:41:02 AM »
« edited: January 26, 2021, 09:48:50 AM by DC Al Fine »

Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.

They are all out of the respective political left wings of their own countries; ergo they are left wing. You can debate whether they're properly leftist or whatever but that would be pointless. Given a binary choice between these politicians being of the political left or the political right, they're all very obviously of the former.

This. Everyone gets that Joe Biden and Justin Trudeau aren't going to nationalize major industries and put in 90% marginal tax rates on the rich or whatever, but calling them "not left" is reminiscent of those early 2010's boomercons who called everyone to the left of Louie Gohmert a "socialist".
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DC Al Fine
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2021, 10:36:55 AM »

Enrique Peņa Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.

They are all out of the respective political left wings of their own countries; ergo they are left wing.

Incorrect. Trudeau is the leader of Canada's centrist party. Almost a third of Canadians voted for a party to his left. Their policies may be vaguely centre-left (debatable), but they don't represent the left on Canada's political spectrum.

I don't know enough about Mexican politics, but I'm under the impression the same could be said about President Ken Doll.

Are you counting the current incarnation of the Bloc as part of that one third to the left of Trudeau's Liberals? That doesn't seem right.
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DC Al Fine
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2021, 06:17:29 AM »
« Edited: January 27, 2021, 04:41:10 PM by DC Al Fine »

Enrique Peña Nieto, Justin Trudeau, and Barack Obama were literally all leaders a half-decade ago.

Saying this with the implication that any of these people are remotely left-wing is peak Blairism - specifically, the weird post-2007 becoming-a-cranky-Tory-in-retirement Blairism. When Tony Blair was in power, he was significantly to the left of all three of these. That is something both he and his current supporters, all five of them, seem to have forgotten.

They are all out of the respective political left wings of their own countries; ergo they are left wing.

Incorrect. Trudeau is the leader of Canada's centrist party. Almost a third of Canadians voted for a party to his left. Their policies may be vaguely centre-left (debatable), but they don't represent the left on Canada's political spectrum.

I don't know enough about Mexican politics, but I'm under the impression the same could be said about President Ken Doll.

Are you counting the current incarnation of the Bloc as part of that one third to the left of Trudeau's Liberals? That doesn't seem right.

The Bloc is a bit complicated, I admit - but other than their xenophobia, I can't think of very many issues where they are to the right of the Liberals.

Other than that Mrs. Kennedy, how was your trip to Dallas? Tongue

More seriously, under Blanchet's leadership, the Bloc Quebecois' primary emphasis has been on promoting anti-multiculturalism to a small town and outer-suburban base against a Liberal Party which primarily represents the largest, most diverse city in the region. If we dropped that into any other context, we'd recognize that as rightist or even far right politics. The fact that the Bloc is somewhat to the left of Trudeau on social housing or gun rights is secondary to that multiculturalism divide.
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