HR 1349: Including Overlooked Constitutional Powers Amendment (Failed)

[Mr. Reactionary]

I support this as I do not understand how we can claim Atlasia is subject to pre-2016 U.S. law, which includes a myriad of bureaucracies that were created by Congress by statute, but also claim that Congress can never ever repeal its own laws creating them when determined that the bureaucracies are redundant or obsolete.

You may prefer to do this in a separate amendment,  but Id like to request we also add:

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Apparently those powers were overlooked, even though again, the claim is that Pre-2016 U.S. law is law in Atlasia, and we've even since amended some of those laws without anyone raising this objection.

Also, please add

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to # 2

[Mr. Reactionary]

I propose this amendment.

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People's House of Representatives
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Thanks

[Mr. Reactionary]

This amendment attempt is truly comical considering it was written after our esteemed Speaker's bill at letting Congress do Weatherboy's responsibilities had to be tabled once he learned that there are legitimate constitutional concerns with it.

TBF I had multiple prewritten bills in the queue consolidating redundant bureaucracies until I learned how stupid the Atlasian Constitution is. IRL after 9/11 congress created DHS not Bush alone. Creating a bureaucracy is a legislative power, running it is an executive power. Congress constantly has to reauthorize bureaucracies IRL or their ability to operate expires. If Congress here decided to deauthorize all programs administered by an agency, it makes no sense that they are forbidden from eliminating that agency, thus leaving it staffed by persons not allowed to do anything in perpetuity. How is that good governance? My farm bill last year eliminated all usda marketing programs, which is the sole purpose of the Agricultural Marketing Service's existence. At present time the Agricultural Marketing Service still exists in Atlasia even though it has literally no powers or purpose. Thats dumb.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I can not support this. What would stop a congress controlled by a party that is not the same as the President to just get rid of departments to undermine the President.

It'a called a veto. If its Congress's prerogative to eliminate bureaucracies then Congress should be allowed. That is literally how real life works. I really don't understand why anyone should oppose Congress being able to eliminate the position of Deputy undersecretary of Agriculture for Rural Development if Congress wants. That the President can hypothetically create eleventy billion new bureaucracies and Congress can never ever never put its foot down is moronic. Congress can defund agencies and deauthorize programs, why shouldn't they be able to also eliminate those bureaucracies affected by such decisions?

[Mr. Reactionary]

#TeamJimmy

[Mr. Reactionary]

I'd still very much like to see Lumine's questions answered, something you seem to be ignoring. Sure, your amendment may protect cabinet officials and those in positions created by executive order, but what problem is this fixing, exactly? It seems that this has more to do with you being frustrated that your previous bill was unconstitutional, rather than fixing a real problem in the game.

This fixes a lot of problems,  including the retarded number of bullschit useless bureaucracies that shouldn't exist, the fact that a multitude of laws the Supreme court chief justice thinks are legal may be illegal, and a really stupid division of power that ignores commonsense. At least Jimmy is pushing for a Constitutional amendment first rather than just passing something at letting others deal with it.

No comment on how many of my bills this year eliminated useless, redundant bureaucracies and were then passed by both Houses of Congress (including the previous 2 Houses) and signed by the President (including the one prior to NCY) without any reference to the absurdity of this really dumb lack of congressional oversight in the Constitution.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I'd still very much like to see Lumine's questions answered, something you seem to be ignoring. Sure, your amendment may protect cabinet officials and those in positions created by executive order, but what problem is this fixing, exactly? It seems that this has more to do with you being frustrated that your previous bill was unconstitutional, rather than fixing a real problem in the game.

This fixes a lot of problems,  including the retarded number of bullschit useless bureaucracies that shouldn't exist, the fact that a multitude of laws the Supreme court chief justice thinks are legal may be illegal, and a really stupid division of power that ignores commonsense. At least Jimmy is pushing for a Constitutional amendment first rather than just passing something at letting others deal with it.

No comment on how many of my bills this year eliminated useless, redundant bureaucracies and were then passed by both Houses of Congress (including the previous 2 Houses) and signed by the President (including the one prior to NCY) without any reference to the absurdity of this really dumb lack of congressional oversight in the Constitution.

This doesn't actually answer what specific problems existed in game because of how the constitution is written. It seems that those who support this amendment want to pass it only want to do so to create departments that would end up either being unfilled, filled by someone who won't actually do the job, or could easily just be done by the SoIA, a position that already exists and often doesn't do enough in this game as is (and is still a position that the current President has made no effort to fill). The reason behind this amendment will end up just causing more issues than it fixes.

I wanted to do this amendment back in August or September or whenever I started sending annoyed PMs about how stupid the Atlasian Constitution was when I couldnt axe the subdepartment of Agriculture. Some of us want to pass it to eliminate/butcher/destroy subdepartments rather than create new ones.

Is the opposition at least on board with the other overlooked powers? Because as Senator we passed laws on all of those subjects and no one peeped.

[Mr. Reactionary]

I'll just add that allowing Congress to create new federal courts is also a super bad idea.

Article I judges are not the same as Article III judges. What do you think immigration judges are? Those types of courts and other ALJs depend upon those powers, otherwise we cannot have ANY immigration judges which once again contradicts pre 2016 US law. We arent supposing in-game simulation where posters serve as ALJs

[Mr. Reactionary]

This amendment attempt is truly comical considering it was written after our esteemed Speaker's bill at letting Congress do Weatherboy's responsibilities had to be tabled once he learned that there are legitimate constitutional concerns with it.

TBF I had multiple prewritten bills in the queue consolidating redundant bureaucracies until I learned how stupid the Atlasian Constitution is. IRL after 9/11 congress created DHS not Bush alone. Creating a bureaucracy is a legislative power, running it is an executive power. Congress constantly has to reauthorize bureaucracies IRL or their ability to operate expires. If Congress here decided to deauthorize all programs administered by an agency, it makes no sense that they are forbidden from eliminating that agency, thus leaving it staffed by persons not allowed to do anything in perpetuity. How is that good governance? My farm bill last year eliminated all usda marketing programs, which is the sole purpose of the Agricultural Marketing Service's existence. At present time the Agricultural Marketing Service still exists in Atlasia even though it has literally no powers or purpose. Thats dumb.

The idea is that the executive branch is suppose to eliminate those agencies and direct the consolidation of such.

I just dont think its good governance to deprive Congress of its power to eliminate bureaucracies (a legislative function) while giving the President the power to nullify any bureaucracy created by legislation (also a legislative function).