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Lumine
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« on: January 20, 2015, 04:05:08 PM »

Although I don't believe I will personally benefit too much from this (considering the time remaining in the presidential term), I do think this will help upcoming administrations. At times we may have several ongoing crisis, and I think it is a good idea to allow the executive to have at least two slots just to be on the safe side (like what happened with the budget and the emergency resolution).

And this also formally allows the President to post on the Legislation Introduction thread, which I think is a helpful change as well.
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2015, 08:17:52 PM »

I oppose.
Sorry, I believe in separation of powers. The fact that governors can general propose legilsations in Region Assembly, I'm not opposed because regions aren't always ultra active and sometimes it can be a one man show (althought right now all regions are deeply active and I'm really happy with that), but for the senate, we have 10 senators that are willing to introduce any legislation Lumine would want to be introduced. So I don't see the need for this reform.

How would this harm the separation of powers, considering that one of the two objectives here is to merely legalize something that has been done for the past months? The process may be faster if the executive (President + VP, I certainly support that idea) can indeed post in the thread, but he is not taking any powers away from the Senate given that he still requires a sponsor.

Furthermore, and going to the second part (the extra executive slot) the queue can often find itself filled with bills (often coming from one or two Senators), which means that a crucial piece of legislation for a national emergency could get stuck for too long. Considering that most of the nation believes that the President has to be involved with the Senate, and that we often have more than one crisis or major issue at a time, wouldn't it make sense to allow for two emergency slots for the executive as well?
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2015, 02:17:15 PM »

Precisely, it seems kind of exaggerated not to allow the President and the VP not to post on the thread at all, especially considering that they would still need a sponsor (or the emergency slots) to get legislation on the floor.

Would anyone be willing to sponsor this amendment? (It includes the VP on the process)

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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2015, 08:10:04 PM »

Sorry Lumine, I would prefer that you PM a senator for legislations you would like them to be introduced rather than posting in the Legislative Introduction Thread. Just for a question of separation of power.

I'm sorry Windjammer, but I fail to see any point in this your proposal?
Separation of power?
The president shouldn't be able to propose legislations. If he wants some legislations to be introduced for him, he should ask a senator to introduce a legislation for him.

Is it clearer?

But wouldn't this just make the procedure more complicated? After all, the President and Vice-President would still need sponsors, and it does seem a bit strange to only allow Senators to use that thread. In short, why should the concept of the separation of powers be invoked when this proposal would not take a duty away from the Senate? If anything, all it will do is to help the White House (regardless of the President) to have a more efficient way of dealing with the Senate.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2015, 08:21:12 PM »

I'm going to say that I consider the amendment hostile, as I've explained my arguments for said change and I remain convinced about them.
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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2015, 10:20:17 AM »

I thank the Senate for passing this proposal.
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