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Lumine
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« on: October 07, 2014, 10:05:01 AM »
« edited: October 12, 2014, 04:01:05 PM by Senator Lumine (PPT) »

To be honest, I wasn't thrilled about this possibility considering that it creates a negative precedent, but after talking to several Senators (although not all managed to give their input before Tyrion being banned) I feel this is a necessary move. The Senate is a serious body, and for far too long we saw Senators unwilling to take their offices as serious having no consequences at all (Napoleon and Xahar, for example). Senator Deus, while active and a good legislator, has openly called for seccession and supported a movement that has caused the deaths of several Atlasians. That is a treasonous move, and it's time we take action on that.

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Considering the open support for seccession and the disregard for the Constitution, it's clear that there is a lack of a desire to perform the duties of the office of Senator, something made very clear by the posts of the Senator in his office.

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Hence, and by invoking Article 12, Section 1, Clause C of the Senate Rules, I motion that we expulse Deus from the Senate. If any other Senator seconds this motion, we will begin a 72 hours period of debate allowing for the Senators to make their case and for Senator Deus to defend himself, afterwhich a two-thirds vote is needed to secure expulsion.
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2014, 02:59:25 PM »

Senators, the debate on this has started and it will last 72 hours.
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2014, 06:10:09 PM »

Sorry, I had an earlier post prepared for this but I deleted it since I made a bit of a mistake.

Now, first of all, the Xahar and Napoleon comparison was a poor one and I apologize for it, but I wanted to put emphasis on Cynic's argument (which is share) of our actions having little to no consequences. If this was about political views and freedom of speech I wouldn't consider taking such a road because, as Senator TNF correctly pointed out, that would be morally wrong and it would set a terrible precedent.

My personal take based on Cranberry's updates was that Deus's movements undermined the government and went against the Constitution when that turned into the secessionist movement of the Northeast, which had caused two deaths (although those were by accident) by the time Deus stopped being associated with it and the more violent phase started. And indeed, during that period there were many calls for him to be expulsed or even accused of High Treason before the Supreme Court (a move recommended by the Department of Internal Affairs and supported by Former President Tyrion as well).

It is not my intention (I'm speaking in a purely personal level) to file this motion just because of political views because that would be ridiculous, but because I felt his acts had grave consequences during the most critical moment of the crisis. If such a view is wrong and the Senator can't be blamed for the rise of the independence movement and the accidental death of those two policemen then I would have to agree with the others, but I guess that would also open some confusion regarding the most recent storyline.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2014, 09:02:00 PM »

Senators, a vote has now been opened. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2014, 04:00:11 PM »

I will vote Abstain in light of the arguments already presented.

This motion has failed.

Aye (1)Sad Senator Cynic.
Nay (6)Sad Senator Bore, Senator TNF, Senator Yankee, Senator Deus, Senator JCL and Senator Polnut.
Abstained (2)Sad PPT Lumine and Senator Nix.

Not Voting (1)Sad Senator Cassius.
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