What Is Obama's Long-Term Plan to Rival the Romney/Ryan Plan?

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

The details offered so far in the Ryan plan -- the tax cuts he's described in some detail, the proposed changes to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, the virtual elimination of all federal spending on anything except those three programs and defense --

That is precisely what the Romney/Ryan plan will do. It will maintain obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, defense, law/order and basic infrastructure. Anything that can be pushed onto the states will be pushed onto the states, and the states can decide what is worth paying for and what is not. I've been saying for months that Romney is going to do exactly this while reforming the tax code.

This election is a debate about the type of America we want to have. Romney/Ryan have offered a plan for the long-term that champions free enterprise, strong defense, maintaining obligations towards Social Security/Medicare, and providing law/order. Obama and Co. only offer lies and attacks out of the Gray Davis 2002 playbook. Obama has no plan for the future. His plan is to kick the can down the road. His plan amounts to massive tax hikes down the road to fund worthless government boondoggles that most everybody does not want.

So, where do you think Ryan would eliminate tax loopholes? And how much revenue would he raise in that way?

Tax rates are going to be cut across the board, so most of the loopholes eliminated (and there will be many, although details will be ironed out after the election) will simply offset the rate reduction. The simplification of the tax code will lower accounting costs for individuals and businesses, further reducing costs associated with taxes for those who utilize loopholes/accountants.

The funny part is that the overwhelming majority of loophole/exemption eliminations will only apply to the wealthiest Americans, but Democrats will lie about that.

By the way, you have a red avatar. Can you please tell us about Obama's long-term plan for America? With all of the red avatars on here you would think that at least one person on here could explain Obama's long-term plan or admit that he does not have one.

I've never understood the GOP myth that Acrosss the Board tax cuts will pull us from recession and not raise the Deficit. The middle class are the ones who spend money in the economy. By the spending of money (70 percent of the economy), they make companies run low on products and have to mamie more. They will need to add more workers to do that, which leads to employment growth. Focused tax cuts are the best and get the best result. And they don't cost nearly as much as across the board ones

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Democratic Rhetoric

Your point is duly noted. Does Obama have a plan for the long-term or does he just plan on kicking the can down the road?

If Romney loses, at least we can remind everybody in four years that we had a plan for America's long-term while Democrats wallow in their support of the presidential version of Gray Davis.

Two Words: SIMPSON-BOWLES

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Democratic Rhetoric

Your point is duly noted. Does Obama have a plan for the long-term or does he just plan on kicking the can down the road?

If Romney loses, at least we can remind everybody in four years that we had a plan for America's long-term while Democrats wallow in their support of the presidential version of Gray Davis.

Two Words: SIMPSON-BOWLES

Two words describe the Simpson-Bowles plan: MORE TAXES

Is Obama ready to double-down on this?

Five more words to describe the Simpson-Bowles plan: LONG TERM BALANCED DEFICIT REDUCTION

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

And SHORT TERM STIMULUS

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Democratic Rhetoric

Your point is duly noted. Does Obama have a plan for the long-term or does he just plan on kicking the can down the road?

If Romney loses, at least we can remind everybody in four years that we had a plan for America's long-term while Democrats wallow in their support of the presidential version of Gray Davis.

Two Words: SIMPSON-BOWLES

Two words describe the Simpson-Bowles plan: MORE TAXES

Is Obama ready to double-down on this?

Five more words to describe the Simpson-Bowles plan: LONG TERM BALANCED DEFICIT REDUCTION

Romney/Ryan does that without raising taxes.

Romney/Ryan: Cut taxes, cut spending, restore growth, create incentives for jobs

Obama/Biden: Raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes, raise taxes

Easy choice for America to make. Hope you're braced for a 1980-style loss. Even if you somehow dupe America, you're stuck with another Gray Davis except this time in the White House.

The Ryan budget doesn't actually give you numbers. It advocates a 20 percent reduction in the Bush Tax Cuts and says they'll be revenue neutral. 4 Trillion dollars is revenue neutral? And they'll be payed for by closing loopholes, but doesn't say which ones. That's not a plan. And if we did adopt the plan, we'll be plunged back into recession and be adopting, to borrow a Newt Term,  European Style Capitalism. Plus the budget wouldn't be in balance til about 2030 or 2040.
Simpson-Bowles balances it in 2020.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Is this the worst thread on Atlas? Discuss with maps.

Definitely.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

So are we getting a commitment from Democrats on here to PRESSURE the Obama/Biden campaign to fully endorse and commit to Simpson/Bowles? Or are Democrats satisfied with kicking the can down the road, which is the current plan of Obama/Biden?

I prefer Romney/Ryan, but Simpson/Bowles is infinitely preferable to the current trajectory of Obama/Biden.

I completely agree. Obama needs to grow some balls and formally endorse it. I like to think of myself as a Clintonian New Democrat fiscal conservative. We need to get our house in order and tough choices need to be made. Tax Increases And Spending Cuts.
It's known that he supported it in 2010 but didn't come out as he was advised against it by those on the commission because it was believed GOPers would go against it just because he supported it.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Clinton 1996, what is the point of your signature? It seems to be a mix of positive things that Obama is campaigning on, as well as abhorrent things that are sure to be unpopular. If it's supposed to be an attack on Ryan, it sends mixed messages. For instance, I'm no fan of Ryan, but I applaud him for voting the unemployment benefits extension. That makes me think more highly of him.

I found it funny so I traded in the Clinton photo in my signature for this. It points out the contradictions in what Romney is proposing and attacking Obama for, and what the VP he chose has done in the past.

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