Democratic South Carolina Primary results thread (polls close @7pm ET)

[Zanas]

African Americans are not progressives. News at 9.

[Zanas]

African Americans are not progressives. News at 9.

What was Jesse Jackson's skin color again ?

[Zanas]

Do these Clinton scores among Blacks indicate anything other than a personality cult ? Low information vote ? I mean dayum !

[Zanas]

Do these Clinton scores among Blacks indicate anything other than a personality cult ? Low information vote ? I mean dayum !

You're verging on some racism there...

Where ? I'm just asking the reasons it's so high, which are not self-evident to me.

[Zanas]

Do these Clinton scores among Blacks indicate anything other than a personality cult ? Low information vote ? I mean dayum !

Uh, are you really in a position to talk about cultists?

Yes, I think I am. Since, you know, I don't actually live in your country and don't care that much about Sanders or anything. Still, I try to understand the patterns, and fail to understand this one where the less progressive white candidate of 2016 wins Blacks with a larger margin than the more progressive black candidate of 2008.

[Zanas]

Do these Clinton scores among Blacks indicate anything other than a personality cult ? Low information vote ? I mean dayum !

lol dude you are from France. Don't even think for one second you can comment on the choices black Americans make regarding politics.

I will surely make sure to ask for your permission to ask questions or post posts from now on.

[Zanas]

Congratulations to Hillary for her nomination. I hope she will be a better candidate than I think she will be.

^ This.

[Zanas]

Do these Clinton scores among Blacks indicate anything other than a personality cult ? Low information vote ? I mean dayum !

lol dude you are from France. Don't even think for one second you can comment on the choices black Americans make regarding politics.

I will surely make sure to ask for your permission to ask questions or post posts from now on.

Folks who lack answers to questions and don't want to answer questions attack. I don't have an answer to the question of the heavy lean of the African American vote in SC, but have a hypothesis that its a mix of things such as:

-General allegiance to the president and the Clintons
-The AA vote in SC being generally conservative, especially for the older generations, and thus seeing Sanders as unacceptable in comparison to Clinton
-Not super enthusiastic about Clinton but active voters who are generally ok with either candidate but default to the one they know better
-Notions of electability, ect (The Clintons won before, and we like winning, ect)

There's a lot going on, or perhaps less than one might think in a situation like this.

Where do you get this from? Black Americans love the Clintons. They want a continuation of the past 7 years of falling unemployment, rising wages, a growing economy, renewed focus on systematic racism and police reforms, etc.

Has the past 7 years been bad to black people, or minorities as a whole? Outside the deranged ravings of conservatives, has Obama's Presidency been bad for America? Our economy is stronger, wages rose faster than inflation last year and looks set to do it again, unemployment overall is 4.9%, black unemployment has fallen to near-2007 levels, our standing in the world has been repaird (who was SoS that helped do that? Not Sanders!), Osama bin Laden is dead (who is in that picture of the Situation Room next to Obama? Not Sanders!), mass troop deployments in Iraq and Syria are over (do you know how much of our military is minority?), 91% of Americans are covered by private health insurance or Medicaid, etc.

Black people don't care about who is the "most progressive", they care about who can do the most for them and who can deliever on that. They don't care about that stupid label war. The last time black incomes and household wealth rose a meaningful amount was 1997-2000, when Bill Clinton was President. Despite all the ravings about how awful the Clintons were to black Americans from Sanders' mostly white supporters, that doesn't line up with what black Americans have actually experienced.

Sanders offers black Americans nothing except tought talk on Wall Street and big dreams on healthcare when they're already satisfied with what progress has been made. They have loved the Obama Presidency, and Hillary (a figure they love as well) is promising a continuation.

Many probably made up their minds a long, long time ago. Buzz about Hillary running for President began in the early-2000s after she was elected to the Senate, and in 2008 she had a majority of black support until Obama was able to convince them he was the better candidate. They probably knew they were voting for her in 2016 as far back as 2009.

The real question is why should black Americans vote for Sanders? What does he offer them? Pie-in-the-sky plans to turn America into Europe? A record of criticizing President Obama? Token endorsements from a black rapper and a whacko professor?

Black Americans are fiercely loyal to the Democratic Party and the establishment because the establishment has been good to them.

That was exactly the kind of answer I was asking for, thanks for having made it, it apparently wasn't so difficult after all. I now see things more clearly.