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« on: July 15, 2012, 12:05:30 PM »

I'm an Adventist, so it makes a lot of sense to me.  I agree with Nathan that I personally (despite some disagreements with my church) look first to Scriptures as the basis for all else, then to tradition.  However, I believe reason and experience are extremely valuable in order to validate your faith.
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 02:03:02 PM »

I approve of this model since I agree that all of the four elements that are mentioned are important but scripture, i.e. the Bible as the word of God, is superior to the other three. I firmly believe that the Christian faith depends on the superiority of God's teachings over purely man-made and transient principles and points of views. Therefore, I am often at odds with what is considered "tradition" if "tradition" deviates from what the Bible states. Indeed, I'm a pretty staunch sola scriptura believer.
So am I.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2012, 08:33:40 PM »

For those too lazy to look it up themselves, here's the Wikipedia page on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesleyan_Quadrilateral


Now, as to my opinion, based on the wiki's description it's just the usual nonsense:

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The shape isn't one in which all of the items are equal, the shape is one in which the scriptures take precedent above all else. If something is in contradiction with scriptures, it's wrong. That's the basis of the whole thing. You don't use reason to see that the scriptures are true, you assume they are true to begin with, and as such you might as well throw reason out the window.
You use reason, experience and tradition to understand Scripture - even if Scripture is primary for Wesley it cannot stand on its own. Contemporary Wesleyans have been more willing to suggest that reason and experience have a role in questioning beliefs based on scripture in a similar way to Wesley's willingness for reason and experience to question tradition.
I would agree with that.  I, like ZuWo, very much believe in sola scriptura and that the Bible is the ultimate authority on spiritual matters.  I think tradition matters, especially the older traditions, but again, I believe that the Bible is more important than tradition (i.e. Saturday vs. Sunday Sabbath).  As some of you may know, I am a member of the SDA church and it bothers me for this reason when many in my church identify Ellen White as a "prophet" or "inspired".   Most modern-day prophets would simply be people who lead others to faith, in my opinion, and under that definition EGW would be a prophet.  I have one question on the Wesleyan Quadrilateral, however: I can understand why Scripture would be at the top, but what determines the positions of experience, tradition, and reason?
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