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Sol
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« on: May 19, 2020, 05:03:27 PM »



Here's what I think would come from Kansas. There are a lot of things pointing at Incumbent Protection here, or at least some from of mutual cooperation. Dems control the courts. The traditional-radical split in the KS GOP means a low chance of a successful veto override - and that's if Dems don't break the supermajorities in 2020. Watkins wants to lose Douglas.

I think the odds of this are low. As somebody who grew up in Wichita, it makes zero sense to split Harvey or Kingman counties from Sedgwick. While Reno has Hutchinson, Harvey and Kingman are decidedly more in the Wichita bubble. So if you're talking communities of interest, they should be with Sedgwick County.

Well, it is an incumbent protection map first and a COI map second. I bet you can therefore guess why Reno was preferred over Harvey. Harvey almost voted against the GOP in the special, which is ground for it being sunk in the Big First. The 4th should be safe GOP in all circumstances, and since you shouldn't be cutting counties west of Lawrence....

It also voted for Kelly, but tbh that shouldn't be seen a sin. Her win had good geographic spread and it's hard to make KS04 and KS02 into anything more than marginal Kobach wins. Her win will not be replicated in any meaningful capacity, only when the KSGOP screw up their potential future statewide nominees.

I think you're again underrating the importance of quirky local interests. If Kansas' 2010 cycle tells us anything it's that the KSGOP is prone to infighting and will have to appease local concerns. That doesn't mean that they won't cut the counties like that, but not every state map drawers operate with the same careful ruthlessness as far as maximizing partisan advantage goes as you assume.
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Sol
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2020, 07:58:12 PM »

Oryxslayer, your belief that legislators will draw perfectly optimized districts for whatever objective is silly. State legislators are swayed by things other than just perfectly meeting some benchmark of incumbent protection or gerrymandering. These can include local pressure, tradition, or simple ignorance. The country's maps are filled with cases where map drawers have "left things on the table" as it were.

There's no certainty in any of this, and to assume that Kansas's legislators will draw a perfectly optimized map incumbent protection map without at least considering local factors or tradition is a bit silly.
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Sol
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2022, 01:58:38 PM »

That 3rd doesn't look terrible for us? Yeah it takes in some rurals but also adds some of Wyandotte, so past 2022 it should be fine?

FWIW there are some Trump 2020 bits of Wyandotte, and it looks like some of those areas are in 3. Though it probably doesn't make that much of a difference.
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Sol
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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2022, 06:07:49 PM »

Kansas always gives redistricting plans goofy cute names for some reasons.
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Sol
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2022, 05:24:56 PM »

Is a proportionate map legitimate if it ends up favoring one party as time passes?
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