Who are the worst trolls in this site's history?

[Velasco]

The one's who've managed to get away with it for years: Beet, Bronz, Tender Branson

I have never been a "troll" ...

I only post the uncomfortable truth sometimes, that some on here don't like.

I don't think you are a troll. Rather, you have created your own trademark in this forum. I mean, you are as idiosyncratic as BRTD or Santander in their own ways. However, it seems to me that you should pay royalties to Al Gore... no, sorry, to Loki Mulholland

The Uncomfortable Truth™


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[Velasco]

The one's who've managed to get away with it for years: Beet, Bronz, Tender Branson

I have never been a "troll" ...

I only post the uncomfortable truth sometimes, that some on here don't like.

Your posts about the Mahometans and about Malthusian catastrophes are indeed uncomfortable, but they are not the truth.

This depends on the point of view:

In ca. 2015-16, when I said that a lot of rapefugees and other Muslim terrorists were on the way to Europe along with normal refugees, nobody believed me (well, some did).

What do you tell the raped and killed women, children and others in Europe that were killed by these infiltrants that we let in ?

Is it not the truth ?

Or when it comes to overpopulation: what do you think the local elephants, rhinos and Co. in Africa think about there being 4 billion people in Africa by 2100, rather than the 1 billion now ? They are already hunted to extinction right now and their habitats being destroyed further by the cancerous expanion of humans.

Uff Tender. I'm going to overlook your obsession with Muslim rapists and say nothing about famous cases of sexual predators whom happened to be white and European (probably you are familiar with some of these cases)

No doubt that overpopulation is a serious problem, but your take is so simplistic that sounds rather cartoonish. Sure, the demographic explosion in Africa may be a contributing factor in the reduction of natural habitats and the possible extiction of elephants and rhinos. But "Africans breeding like rabbits" is not the only causation of the destruction of biodiversity. Rather, the main factor contributing to environmental degradation are the patterns of consumption associated to our economic system and our ways of life. And the patterns of consuption are not equally distributed. There exists a brutal inequality in the distribution of resources, so the most developed 10% or 20% is consuming 70% or 80% of the available resources. See the table below

You focus the problem on the population growth in underdeveloped countries, but these people is contributing to the ongoing environmental disasters 10, 20 or 50 times less than a normal US citizen based on per capita consumption. On the other hand, it seems to me that you advocate walling Europe against foreign invasions. The most annoying thing that I see in your posts is that they reflect ideas suggesting an embryonic eco-fascism. I'm not saying that you are eco-fascist (and I hope you never become in one). But I suggest you to reconsider some of your takes, because that ideology is very dangerous

https://www.vice.com/en/article/qjdvzx/eco-fascist-arm-of-neo-nazi-terror-group-the-base-linked-to-swedish-arson?utm_source=reddit.com

“Eco-fascism” is an ideology experiencing a revival among the far-right, which blames the demise of the environment on overpopulation, immigration, and over-industrialization, problems that followers think could be partly remedied through the mass murder of refugees in Western countries.  

Some people believe eco-fascism will be more popular in the years to come, becoming mainstream out of far-right extremist groups

  

[Velasco]

Eco-Fascism isn’t „far-right“.

It’s far-left.

No, Tender. Fascism is always far-right. According to Wikipedia, some people argue the origins of ecofascism are in Nazi Germany ("Blood and Soil"). There was a German ecofascist organization established in 1963 called Collegium Humanum, which was banned in 2008. Also, there is a woman called Savitri Devi who was a proponent "Esoteric Nazism" and deep ecology. Isn't it fascinating?

The Murray Boochkin quote included in the Wiki article is worth reading, because it portrays far-right and leftist types behind the  "deep ecology" label. The racist and anti-immigration types are clearly far-right ecofascists

   "There are barely disguised racists, survivalists, macho Daniel Boones, and outright social reactionaries who use the word ecology to express their views, just as there are deeply concerned naturalists, communitarians, social radicals, and feminists who use the word ecology to express theirs... It was out of this former kind of crude eco-brutalism that Hitler, in the name of 'population control,' with a racial orientation, fashioned theories of blood and soil... The same eco-brutalism now reappears a half-century later among self-professed deep ecologists who believe that Third World peoples should be permitted to starve to death and that desperate Indian immigrants from Latin America should be excluded by the border cops from the United States lest they burden 'our' ecological resources".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecofascism

In case ecofascism becomes mainstream, I guess it would be in the form of some kind of rightwing populism. Something like Le Pen looking for scapegoats to blame for the environmental crisis

[Velasco]

Eco-Fascism isn’t „far-right“.

It’s far-left.

So you agree with libertarians and American conservatives that fascism is an ideology of the left, not the right?

No, there can be a fascism of the far-right and far-left IMO.

Just because a certain left-winger from Spain on here ignores the fact that fascism can only be right-wing, it’s not true.

There’s a lot of people from the Left who are similar to Nazis and right-wing fascists.

Eco-Fascism has different facets of course and there can be supporters with a anti-migrant sentiment, but also complete environmentalists as well who have no concerns about foreigners and only want to get rid of humanity in general to protect the planet (I’m part of the latter).

And I agree this topic of extremist environmentalism will become more prominent in the next decades.

Claiming that people in the far-left can be similar to the Nazis reveals great ignorance about ideology and political beliefs. Leftwing authoritarianism (the likes of Stalin and Mao) has never been based on racial hatred or the worship of violence, which are some of the distinctive characteristics of Nazism. Nor far-left ideologies (either communist or anarchist) are based on the principles and motivations of Nazism and Fascism: exaltation of fatherland and racial purity, imperialism and vital space. The aspirations of the far-left folks are more related to the establishment of a society where the differences between classes have been abolished through a social revolution. While Nazis and Fascists invoke Race, Fatherland, Imperium and Tradition  communists and anarchists talk about Universal Brotherhood

You claim having no concern for the human race, so besides anti-immigration you are anti-humanist. Also, you have admitted being part of that ecofascist current. It's amazing, but nothing of this is related to any existing leftist ideology.

Certainty I am leftwing, but I think Stalinists, Maoists and the Khmer Rouge are terrible regardless.  It's only that they have little to do with Hitler and Mussolini

[Velasco]

Yeah sure ...

They are 2 sides of the same coin !

All you do is whitewashing the crimes committed by Stalin, Mao and Co. that led to the deaths of 100 million people and thinking they are inferior to Nazi crimes ...

I'm not whitewashing Stalin a and Mao by telling their political philosophies are different from those of Hitler and Mussolini. If you don't know from where these guys were coming from, you will be unable to understand the motivations for their crimes. Knowledge and comprehension have nothing to do with justifying or whitewashing

"They are 2 sides of the same coin" is a simplistic take inappropiate for a political forum. It's totally false and inaccurate,  leaving aside the platitude that both sides committed horrible crimes. Besides, that's a very usual argument invoked by those intending to justify criminals like Francisco Franco. Over the years I had had some discussions with Francoists in the internet. They are boring and tiresome

Honestly, Tender, your level of ignorance is amazing.

You are the ecofascist who hates human race, not me