Whig Party Convention, Bird-in-Hand, PA

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I nominate myself, if that's possible, for the position of Vice Chairman.

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I nominate myself as well just so we can have some competition

But competition is boooooooooring!

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[2]20RP12

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Is the Vice-Chairman vote over now? It has been more than 24 hours.

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Huzzah!

In honour of 20RP12, I shall listen to Enter Shikari on Spotify for the next half an hour.

Commencing now.

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I motion that we commence voting on Pingvin's 'Autonomy' amendment to the party platform.

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I motion that we commence voting on Pingvin's 'Autonomy' amendment to the party platform.

As per the last vote, this shall be up for 24 hours unless the Chairman deems otherwise.

Anyhow, Aye.

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The platform amendment fails 5-3, with 2 abstentions.

Is there anything else party members wish to propose?

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It's time to vote on friggin' Whig-IB Union, dammit.

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As per the last vote, this shall be up for 24 hours unless the Chairman deems otherwise.

Nay.

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The Whig/IB Union fails 6-1, with 1 abstention.

I personally don't know much about the Mideast Assembly elections at all, so I'll leave the endorsement voting for that to the Chair.

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For the record, I support SPC's candidacy as well.

Ditto.

While Gass means well to ask us to back his candidacy, it's the real life equivalent of Bernie Sanders asking for a Republican endorsement. Not 'appnin.

Also, is the Whig Liberty Caucus affiliated to the 'official' Whig party? It's acting as a party within a party. (I used the word 'party' too many times then.)

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Also, is the Whig Liberty Caucus affiliated to the 'official' Whig party? It's acting as a party within a party.

It purports to be. I don't really have a problem with it, but it might be good to clarify the powers of subsidiary caucuses in our rules. Their ability to endorse a candidate isn't really official (a caucus endorsement would not appear on a presidential ballot), so I'd look into specifying that our caucuses would be able to make recommendations for endorsements. Kind of like how senate committees recommend whether or not legislation should be passed.

Hmm. Yes, some guidelines do need to be laid down because at the moment the Whig Liberty Caucus might as well be its own political party, not to mention they are most likely to endorse a non-Whig in the upcoming primary.

I'm also slightly worried that the Caucus is getting more attention that the actual base party. I'd like to see what Clarence thinks of this matter.

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Right. I'll defer on the issue of Caucus rules until the next party Convention, if only because our current Convention will be ending soon.

On that issue, I was thinking that we should hold a vote as to where our next gathering shall be held. Bird-in-Hand is rather, ahem, low-key, for a major political party.

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My suggestions are as follows:

Chugwater, Wyoming
Big Chimney, West Virginia
Humptulip, Washington
Canadian, Texas
Trophy Club, Texas
Slaughterville, Oklahoma
Three Legs Town, Ohio
Little Switzerland, North Carolina
Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina
Ronkonkoma, New York
Elephant Butte, New Mexico
Weeping Water, Nebraska
Hungry Horse, Montana
Pine Stump Junction, Michigan
Rabbit Hash, Kentucky
Yellow Jacket, Colorado
Rough and Ready, California
Greasy Corner, Arkansas

lol Hags.

Also, is the Whig Liberty Caucus affiliated to the 'official' Whig party? It's acting as a party within a party.

It purports to be. I don't really have a problem with it, but it might be good to clarify the powers of subsidiary caucuses in our rules. Their ability to endorse a candidate isn't really official (a caucus endorsement would not appear on a presidential ballot), so I'd look into specifying that our caucuses would be able to make recommendations for endorsements. Kind of like how senate committees recommend whether or not legislation should be passed.

Hmm. Yes, some guidelines do need to be laid down because at the moment the Whig Liberty Caucus might as well be its own political party, not to mention they are most likely to endorse a non-Whig in the upcoming primary.

I'm also slightly worried that the Caucus is getting more attention that the actual base party. I'd like to see what Clarence thinks of this matter.

I agree... somewhat. Having a separate Liberty Caucus that does not in general endorse Whig candidates could be problematic. However, in this case, we arranged to have a primary with the MCPR and IB, so we shouldn't then try to rig the primary so the Whig candidate wins automatically because there are more members in the Whigs than IB or MCPR. That would make it sort of difficult to work with those other parties. By agreeeing to a 3-way primary, we have defacto agreed already that a candidate from the IB or MCPR would in general be acceptable to us. If the Liberty Caucus begins endorsing non-Whigs over Whigs in a general election, then yes there would be an issue.

Yes, I think for the time being we should see how everything works out. If however we run into a scenario whereby non-Whigs were being given preferential treatment over our own party's endorsed candidates, post primaries, then we may need to establish guidelines regulating such behaviour. Although, hopefully, if the Caucus system is not misused, this won't be necessary.

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It has been 48 hours since the Chair allowed non-Whig Mideast Assembly candidates to come forth for endorsements. SPC and Gass3268 have specifically asked for an endorsement, ProgressiveRealist has not, and therefore won't be on the endorsement ballot.

Also, I've taken the liberty to include a ballot allowing Whig members to choose the next location for our Party Convention. I've added all the current proposed locations and a write-in option.

As usual, 24 hours of voting unless the Chair deems otherwise.

Mideast Assembly Endorsement Ballot

[] SPC
[] Gass3268

Whig Party City Conference Ballot

[] Chugwater, Wyoming
[] Big Chimney, West Virginia
[] Humptulip, Washington
[] Canadian, Texas
[] Trophy Club, Texas
[] Slaughterville, Oklahoma
[] Three Legs Town, Ohio
[] Little Switzerland, North Carolina
[] Kill Devil Hills, North Carolina
[] Ronkonkoma, New York
[] Elephant Butte, New Mexico
[] Weeping Water, Nebraska
[] Hungry Horse, Montana
[] Pine Stump Junction, Michigan
[] Rabbit Hash, Kentucky
[] Yellow Jacket, Colorado
[] Rough and Ready, California
[] Greasy Corner, Arkansas
[] Truth, New Mexico
[] Consequences, New Mexico
[] Columbia, South Carolina
Write-in: ___________

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Mideast Assembly Endorsement Ballot

[1] SPC

Whig Party City Conference Ballot

[1] Columbia, South Carolina
[2] Little Switzerland, North Carolina

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The city is actually called 'Truth or Consequences, NM' Truth and Consequences are not two separate cities

Oops. Didn't know that. Awks.

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The Mideast Assembly Endorsement Ballot favours SPC, 7 first preferences to Gass3268's 0, with 1 absention.

The Whig Party City Conference Ballot has resulted in Columbia, South Carolina being selected as the next Convention host city.

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The Whig Party City Conference Ballot has resulted in Columbia, South Carolina being selected as the next Convention host city.

An excellent choice of region.

Indeed. Indeed.

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The Whig/IB/MCPR Presidential Primary has begun.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=158928.0

You can vote here if you're a registered party member. Our candidate is Pingvin, for the record.

Unless there is any other business, I feel we can wrap up this convention.

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I've never been one for subtlety, so I'd like to move to be reinstated as party chairman.

Just to clarify, are you motioning for a vote of no confidence in the Chair?

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I've never been one for subtlety, so I'd like to move to be reinstated as party chairman.

Just to clarify, are you motioning for a vote of no confidence in the Chair?

I'm not sure. Removing the chair would result in having to remove the vice chair and so forth. Could we simply not pass a resolution replacing the chair with myself?

I'm not sure. There is nothing in the by-laws that permit that.

Is there any precedent for situations like this?

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The elections are due in April, August and December. So, in pure technical terms, there shouldn't be an election in September. Also, if you consider the Chairman vote of no confidence as an election then it can be argued that the by-law requirement has already been fulfilled.

I'm not taking 'sides', merely pointing out the awkwardness of this situation.

It'll be good for others to chip in.

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Back our party members in the primary over members of other parties.

Need I point out the obvious issue with this? The issue being that you get stuff like this:

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This is why we love Pingvin.

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Anyhow, without further adieu, I move for the closing of the Whig Party convention.

I presume we can keep this thread alive though for the sake of communication.