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Gabu
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« on: December 15, 2007, 01:03:54 AM »

Was Columbine the first of these shootings in USA? I mean a teenager with big guns who choose a place to shoot a maximum of peoples in it.

Do these shootings become "normal" in USA...?!?

Columbine was the worst, and still is.

No, that actually isn't true.  More people died in the Virginia Tech shootings than in the Columbine shootings.
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Gabu
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E: -4.32, S: -6.52

« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2007, 08:36:08 AM »
« Edited: December 17, 2007, 08:39:11 AM by Gabu »

In the real world, if somebody really wants to kill somebody they're going to find a way.

Of course, a gun does, however, make the job a lot easier.

I'm basically with Polnut on this.  I've grown up in a culture where the idea of desiring gun ownership in most cases is largely considered weird and alien, and certainly not a God-given right that must never be infringed upon.  Most Americans seem to find the prospect of not being able to carry a gun around to be a scary thought; I (and many Canadians), on the other hand, find the prospect of everyone carrying a gun around to be the scary thought.  Most Americans seem to believe that the solution to crimes involving guns is for everyone to have a gun; I, on the other hand, believe that the problem is, rather, the underlying paranoid mentality of "everyone should be armed".

Given our backgrounds, we are unlikely to ever remotely see eye-to-eye on the issue.
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Gabu
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2007, 11:19:45 PM »

Just adding some stats to the arguement

murder rate in 2000s  per 100,000 people
US 5.9
Iran 2.93
European Union 2.37
United Kingdom 2.03
Canada 2.01
France 1.64
England,  Wales 1.62
New Zealand 1.29
 Australia 1.28

Or, if you wanted to make the statistic more relevant:

Firearm homicide rate per 100,000 people

Zimbabwe:    4.746
Mexico:    3.6622
United States:    3.6
Belarus:    3.31
...
Portugal:    0.8488
Switzerland:      0.5341     
Canada:    0.5030
Germany:    0.4672
Australia:    0.3073
Spain:    0.2456
New Zealand:    0.1827
United Kingdom:      0.1026

The mantra of "if you ban guns, only criminals will have them" sounds reasonable at face value, but it doesn't seem to be true... given that the UK has the lowest firearm homicide rate out of all of the countries that track that data.
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