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Gabu
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« on: July 12, 2007, 12:42:48 PM »

Is there anyone else out there who values the sancity of human life and erring on the side of life as much as I do?  I find it ridiculous the amount of criticism I get for this position, there is no reason not to be 100% pro-life if you are pro-life at all.  Supporting exceptions is another way of saying, "Yeah I know they'll find loopholes don't I only care about the issue for personal gain."

Given that you think that women with ectopic pregnancies should die along with the embryo, I don't exactly think you count as 100% pro-life.
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Gabu
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2007, 02:27:16 PM »

Is there anyone else out there who values the sancity of human life and erring on the side of life as much as I do?  I find it ridiculous the amount of criticism I get for this position, there is no reason not to be 100% pro-life if you are pro-life at all.  Supporting exceptions is another way of saying, "Yeah I know they'll find loopholes don't I only care about the issue for personal gain."

Given that you think that women with ectopic pregnancies should die along with the embryo, I don't exactly think you count as 100% pro-life.

I feel it is more moral to take a chance that both live than to make sure one is killed.  If the baby is already dead, then the procedure is no longer an abortion in my book.  Again, this issue is very personal to me as I have explained before as my mother had an 85% chance of dying if she gave birth to me, but you chose to take the risk and we both live happily and healthy now.  I do not believe if I would have died or been aborted my mother could have continued.

Here's the thing: in at least 99% of cases an ectopic pregnancy will result in the death of both the embryo and the mother.  So essentially you're saying that you would prefer 99 mothers and embryos die just for the chance of having 1 embryo live.  How in the world is this erring on the side of life?

The goal of abortion is murder, the goal of war is not death

Yes it is.  The goal of war is to kill enough people to make the leaders of the other side surrender.  Do you think it's just a coincidence that every single war ever has resulted in people getting killed?
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Gabu
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2007, 03:18:22 PM »

The phrases "pro-life" and "pro-choice" really are the sewer dregs of the English language.

I've said that countless numbers of times.
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Gabu
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2007, 01:45:37 PM »

A few points:

1. Most people who support abortion rights don't consider it to be murder.  You can scream "but it's life!" as much as you want, but many people disagree. 

I wish I could be that ignorant and get away with it. Amazing how the same people will rally around the causes of science...when it benefits their agenda.
abortion isnt murder? in the first trimester, can the baby live outside the mother's body? nope? wow! thats right. they can't! they are part of the mothers body. its the mothers choice

Brain waves and hearts beats are detected within the first couple of weeks.

Where did you hear that?  The heart isn't even formed until the second month, at which point it starts beating.  The brain isn't fully formed either until the the sixth or the seventh month, and it's not until then that brain waves can be detected.
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Gabu
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2007, 05:36:32 PM »

This gets into the definition of 100% pro-life.  I see being pro-life as being 100% against unnecessary loss of human life.  War does not count because it is necessary in some instances for survival, and the lose of animal life is necessary for the life of human survival so that does not bother me.  I define unnecessary loss of life as any abortion, euthanasia, physhican-assisted suicide, or the death penalty.  Considering I oppose in 100% of cases, I believe myself to be 100% pro-life.

Okay, I'm going to define 100% pro-life as being against killing your pets.

Hey look, I'm 100% pro-life.
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Gabu
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2007, 01:19:36 AM »

I support large government programs to eradicate poverty.  I support socialized health care, as I believe quality health care is everyone's right.  I also believe people who don't support these things aren't truly pro-life.

Silly Harry, life is only valuable if you haven't been born yet. Tongue
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