Do you think this country would be better off without suburbs?

[Gabu]

I don't really see how you could have dense urban areas without suburbs.  What's supposed to happen, you have big highrises and then BAM, it just cuts off and turns into rural farmland?

Anyways, no.  I live in the suburbs and I like it a lot more here than I would like it living downtown.  You're mistaking what is better off for you as what is better off for the country as a whole.

[Gabu]

How do you type that eye-rolling thing?

: : )

With no spaces.

[Gabu]

Hence the problem with suburbs. They have prudish streaks, hence the strip club regulation. You wouldn't see that ever in Minneapolis, a liberal URBAN city.

So why can't you have your urban city while we have our suburban city?  It seems to me that the existence of suburbs is not curtailing your ability to visit strip clubs, and the abolition of suburbs would not really affect you in any way.

[Gabu]

And there's the point, people in suburban areas are too concerned about property values. You can't make any place a red light district without people complaining. Minneapolis has a very nice red light district, and no one minds. If Seattle was a true urban city like it, it'd be the same.

I'm 100% sure that people in suburban areas would think that you were way too concerned about red light districts.

Again, why can't suburban areas have their high property values while urban areas have their red light districts?  I don't see why it has to be an either-or situation.  You don't have to live in Seattle and they don't have to live in Minneapolis.

[Gabu]

What makes your concern about strip clubs superior to concerns about property value, crime, etc.?

I don't care about property value, it just means cheaper housing. Crime doesn't bother me. It's not hard to avoid. And it's not just strip clubs. It's also good bars and good record stores.

Vashon Island, a Seattle suburb.  Increasingly wealthy waterside commuters.  30 minute ferry from the centre of Seattle.  About as Democratic as Minneapolis, but with 1/10th the crime.

First of all, that means it's full of yuppie latte liberal types I despise. And second, why should you have to go through the trouble and cost of a ferry every time you want to go to the city center?

I'm going to assume that you're not purposely avoiding my questions, and are instead simply missing them, so I'll restate the general idea: why does the fact that you dislike the thought of something mean that the country would be better off without something?  Last I checked, you live nowhere near Vashon Island and really are not affected by anything surrouding Vashon Island at all, and yet you seem to feel that it would be better for the residents of Vashon Island if it was a paved urban area with highrises and red light districts.

Is it not possible that the people of Vashon Island like their surroundings?

[Gabu]

If I say the place leans young, you'll complain there are yuppies; if it leans old, you will complain that it is not youthful enough.

Not neccesarily. Not all young people are yuppies. I just don't like young AFFLUENT areas. My city and Minneapolis are fine.

Why not?

Alcon, such people are obnoxious and unpleasant.   Hubris and unwarranted self-congratulation always is.

Exactly how much time have you spent in such a place?  I lived for four months in Redmond, Washington, in which the median income is around $66,000/year, and I never once encountered a person who was loaded with "hubris and unwarranted self-congratulation".