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[Gabu]

I can't think of any of that type offhand, but there are many times when a person registered with the AFDNC and then switched when another member told him about other parties (if you want to see specific examples, I'm sure I could dig some up).  It's not really fair to force the other parties to have to actively tell every new member about the other parties while the AFDNC just gets to sit back and watch members come in, occasionally getting diverted through finding out that other parties do, in fact, exist.

[Gabu]

For the record, I'm fine with discussing that event as an isolated event.  I'm really getting tired of the "all AFDNC members commit voter fraud" line, however.  I would like to think that we, as mature citizens, are above asserting a Hasty Generalization fallacy over and over without regards to its falsity.

[Gabu]

For the record, I'm fine with discussing that event as an isolated event.  I'm really getting tired of the "all AFDNC members commit voter fraud" line, however.  I would like to think that we, as mature citizens, are above asserting a Hasty Generalization fallacy over and over without regards to its falsity.

Thank you.  I'm not against discussing it, but I don't think theres a point to making silly accusations and assumptions, that aren't getting anywhere.

Are you aware that some thought connecting GirlGoneWild and IrishDem was "silly" too?

Whatever happened to "innocent until proven guilty"?  I'm sorry if this sounds overly partisan, but this topic has become more a line used against Democrats when all else fails than any actual sort of investigation.  Whether you want to admit it or not, this much is true.  It's become a running joke now that the Democrats are the party of voter fraud, and I'm getting sick of it.  While you may not be one of those making these jokes, it's plain to see that stuff like what you're saying above is not clearing the air.  It's not exactly conducive to unity and mutual trust to continually level accusations and then act as if disbelievers are stupid for suggesting that the accusations might not be true.  To act as if these actions are benefitting Atlasia is naive at best and downright disingenuous at worse.

If you want to investigate, fine.  If you want to get to the bottom of this, whatever "this" might be, be my guest.  I fully agree that if there is something to this, we should find out what it is and be done with it.  All I ask is that we please revert this GirlGoneWild incident into what you say it is - an investigation - instead of an attack that can be repeated whenever necessary against the Democrats, which is what it currently is.  We're not getting anywhere as it is right now.

The fact of the matter is that the biggest threat to democracy in Atlasia, by far, is too much partisanship, not voter fraud.  Everyone knows that, whether they want to admit it or not.  Even if it does turn up that Red Button was IrishDemocrat or whatever, the benefit that will come about as a result from that will likely be far outweighed by the rampant negativity and mutual distrust that will be produced by the current means being employed to get there.  What is currently being done about this is not saving Atlasia; rather, it's making the situation worse.  I don't mind if you want to investigate this matter; what my problem is with is the methods being used to do so.

[Gabu]

Gabu, you have a point, but the AFDNC hasn't really admitted to having any problems - that's why people keep attacking them.

I will certainly admit that the AFDNC maybe could have more in response to the GirlGoneWild incident, but what you bring up is exactly the reason why I think that everything would be better if we had no political parties.  I haven't commited voter fraud.  Defarge hasn't committed voter fraud.  True Democrat hasn't committed voter fraud.  Nym90 hasn't committed voter fraud.

Yet, somehow, just out of the virtue of being in the same party as someone who did, people are acting as if we're all guilty of it.  I just don't get it.  Why are we completely incapable of talking about this issue without smearing so many people who are absolutely 100% innocent?  Why can we not see that it was IrishDemocrat, not the AFDNC as a collective blob, who did this act?

I'm becoming more and more drawn to the idea that people like Keystone Phil keep beating this issue to death over and over purely because they want to hurt innocent members of the AFDNC by implicitly associating them with something in which they had no part whatsoever, not because those people actually want to solve anything.  There are countless numbers of methods one could go about this without involving the AFDNC as a whole that treat this as what it is - an isolated event committed by an individual - but time and again no one even considers those methods.

As I have said in the past, parties seem to be nothing more than a means to enable oneself to tie up a bunch of innocent people into one neat little bundle where they can all be attacked at the same time for something that they're completely innocent of.  I, for one, am disgusted by it.