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Sec. of State Superique
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« on: June 27, 2014, 09:44:58 PM »

Since I'm not going to be the next SoEA, I'll have more freedom to be cold blooded and say somethings that I feel... The Iraqi Government and its Armed Forces may be filled of corruption, it maybe not as democratic as we wanted and it may not be the best promoter of democracy in the Middle East, still its a much more stable, reliable and trustable regime than the possible ISIS fundamentalist failed state that is growing. Hence, we shall not have any fear of helping the current Iraqi Government with this situation.

Prime Minister and General Zebari has asked for our help and he is trying to bring more unity for its troops. He is not fighting that war because he wants a Sectarian War, he is fighting that war because he wants that stability and a minimal unity rules over Iraq and that is what I think that should be our target over this issue. I'm pleased of Lumine's Activism because I strongly believe that courageous action is needed. As Riley pointed out, although I disagree in other topics of the same text, ISIS is getting stronger and the chances are big that it creates a strong failed state in the region. The peace that we were bringing with the Israel-Palestine Agreement and the engagement with all the countries of the Middle East that we were aiming will be destroyed if we are lenient and complacent with ISIS.

That's why I'm suggesting technical support, strategical support and the usage of drones. I also believe that we should use our aerial capabilities to harm the ISIS forces and give support to Zebari troops and to the Iranian troops that are helping in ground.  Does Iraqi Sectarianism worry me? Off course but this is not the proper reason to deny helping them. Iraq can have our support to tackle ISIS and it can also have our support to create a more united nation, a more united government and better relations between Sunni and Shia muslims in the region.

Regarding Syria, I wouldn't mind tackling the ISIS capabilities on that region. I believe that it's better to have those stable and undemocratic governments than to have a big and failed terrorist state. Unfortunately, the time for helping the Free Syrian Army is over and now it's time to do this sad but necessary "damage control" of our actions. Bashar Al-Assad is terrible but ISIS is also a horrible option.
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Sec. of State Superique
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 09:52:35 PM »

Wait, so this isn't a Declaration of War? What constitutional authority does the Senate have to "authorize force" without declaring war?


The problem is this: our Constitution does not tell us how to deal with that specific situation. ISIS is not a nation, it is a terrorist organization. However, the Duke Administration and its allies on the Senate are concerned with folks like you that will try to sue any military action taken by the Atlasian Government over other countries. Hence, we decided to create this bill to provide us with the necessary legal approval to take our actions. I wouldn't mind calling this a Declaration of War but this is obviously not a traditional Declaration of War. An amendment is needed on that matter but this amendment is easily achievable. Moreover, I'm fine to setting up the objectives of that mission since Averroes Nix gave that idea. My personal objective is to destroy ISIS but we can discuss with our Senators...
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 10:52:32 PM »

Wait, so this isn't a Declaration of War? What constitutional authority does the Senate have to "authorize force" without declaring war?


The problem is this: our Constitution does not tell us how to deal with that specific situation. ISIS is not a nation, it is a terrorist organization. However, the Duke Administration and its allies on the Senate are concerned with folks like you that will try to sue any military action taken by the Atlasian Government over other countries. Hence, we decided to create this bill to provide us with the necessary legal approval to take our actions. I wouldn't mind calling this a Declaration of War but this is obviously not a traditional Declaration of War. An amendment is needed on that matter but this amendment is easily achievable. Moreover, I'm fine to setting up the objectives of that mission since Averroes Nix gave that idea. My personal objective is to destroy ISIS but we can discuss with our Senators...
So you admit that this "authorization of force" is unconstitutional and requires a constitutional amendment, yet you support it anyway?

LOL... I was saying to ammend the current text of the Authorization of Force and make it a declaration of War.
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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2014, 06:40:38 AM »

Jesus Christ... Maybe we should give up of this whole thing...
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Sec. of State Superique
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« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2014, 08:24:08 PM »

Jesus Christ... Maybe we should give up of this whole thing...

Not a chance, I will not cease this effort even if the Senate is unlikely to pass it. It's about time we take the responsibilites we have ignored in foreign policy, and that needs time, effort and discussion.

I agree - it may seem like I am giving both of you a hard time, but I want to be sure that we've hashed this out carefully before it goes to a vote. I wouldn't bother arguing if I didn't agree that we should do something; it's just not clear to me at this point what that action should  be.

Of course, I am not even a Senator, so you are free to ignore me without suffering any negative consequences if you'd prefer. Tongue

You are just the next SoEA Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2014, 08:29:05 PM »

Maybe we should rethink another clear objective. Destroying ISIS is certainly too broad but we can have other plans such as helping the new Iraqi Government, delineating the proper targets where we want to take ISIS out, training better the Iraqi Security Forces and promoting a more unified Iraq. Anyway, that clear objective may be written by the Senate and I would like to collaborate on that topic.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2014, 08:36:19 AM »

Maybe I should have bombed Iraq without any sort of legal backing and just become Atlasia's First War Criminal Tongue
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