Kevin McCarthy DROPS OUT, the House GOP in absolute chaos

[hopper]

The Freedom Club Republicans are out of control and threatening the stability of the government.  Obama should use his executive power to arrest them all for treason and declare their seats vacant.

That's "The House Freedom Caucus".

[hopper]

The GOP is essentially holding him hostage lmao

Well, at this point he has nothing to lose, so why not use his powers for good and bring to the floor compromise bills that can get passed with Democrat support?

Yeah I hear that "Immigration Reform Bill" is in a drawer somewhere collecting dust.

[hopper]

It's intolerable that any small faction can hold the whole House hostage.

No, it's totally deserved. Establishment ought to have raised years ago and primary every single mmber of the Liberty Caucus.

It's a self-inflicted wound.

Again its not "The Liberty Caucus" its "The House Freedom Caucus" they are 2 different Caucuses.

[hopper]

It's intolerable that any small faction can hold the whole House hostage.

No, it's totally deserved. Establishment ought to have raised years ago and primary every single mmber of the Liberty Caucus.

It's a self-inflicted wound.

That's the thing, the GOP establishment was oblivious to the festering problem 5 years ago when they still had the chance to stop it. They were riding the Tea Party wave and didn't seem to care that the hard right's promises kept getting more and more impossible to achieve.

The Tea Party Caucus, and "The House Freedom Caucus"  are 2 different caucuses. If it was "The Tea Party Caucus" that would have led to Boehner's ouster Boehner would have been finished as Speaker a long time ago.

[hopper]

I'm not talking about the Republican Party platform, Wulfric. Or even conservatism.

The Republican Congress needs to be taken out back and shot.

They are just fundamentally not serious about governing.

You're right.  The Republican Congress doesn't fight Obama hard enough and actually force him to veto bills, putting him and the Democratic party on the record on the wrong side of public opinion.  Instead, they've been preemptively surrendering on things like the Iran treaty, where the mushy establishment created a rule that only 1/3rd of the Congress is needed to ratify a treaty instead of the constitutionally required 2/3rds.  This has justifiably enraged the Republican base, and is coming back to haunt the establishment wing of the Republican party.  While it's not clear whether the infidelity allegations or his gaffes are truly what did McCarthy in, the establishment wing of the party is reaping what it sows.  

Why is compromise always a one-way street, where conservatives must always yield to so-called moderates?

I will honestly agree. The Republicans have control of both chambers and Obama's veto pen is gathering dust. If they can't get bills to a Democratic President's desk for veto, why should I believe they'll get bills to a Republican President's desk for signage?

They are not serious about governing.

Well they did get one bill to his desk that he vetoed which was "The Keystone Pipe Line" which he vetoed. Obama always threatens a veto.

Why should you believe that the Republicans will get bills to a Republican Presidents desk? Because a Republican is President would be the answer.

[hopper]

I'm not talking about the Republican Party platform, Wulfric. Or even conservatism.

The Republican Congress needs to be taken out back and shot.

They are just fundamentally not serious about governing.

You're right.  The Republican Congress doesn't fight Obama hard enough and actually force him to veto bills, putting him and the Democratic party on the record on the wrong side of public opinion.  Instead, they've been preemptively surrendering on things like the Iran treaty, where the mushy establishment created a rule that only 1/3rd of the Congress is needed to ratify a treaty instead of the constitutionally required 2/3rds.  This has justifiably enraged the Republican base, and is coming back to haunt the establishment wing of the Republican party.  While it's not clear whether the infidelity allegations or his gaffes are truly what did McCarthy in, the establishment wing of the party is reaping what it sows.  

Why is compromise always a one-way street, where conservatives must always yield to so-called moderates?

Its called "The Iran Nuclear Agreement" there isn't the word "Treaty" in the title of the bill so therefore it doesn't require 2/3 of a House or Senate Majority. Every Republican voted against "The Iran Nuclear Agreement" so what else do you want? The Republican Base is still mad about "ObamaCare" even though every Republican voted against it at the time. What can you do?

[hopper]

Like someone said on twitter "Benghazi committee tries to take out Hillary, takes out McCarthy instead".

It goes something like that, yeah.

[hopper]

Kevin McCarthy is just a joke. He can't do anything about the Black Lion.

Who is "The Black Lion"? Is that a rapper?

[hopper]

Dent v Brat on the Meet the Press can be watched here. Click on the image labeled GOP v GOP for Control of the Party. It was quite a food fight. Dent and Brat don't have much patience with each other. And Brat has a series of 10 demands Ryan must meet to get his vote. Pity none of the questioners focused on the matter of what happens if nothing gets passed, and then the government shuts down, as to what happens then. Playing out scenarios to the end game, and the consequences, seems to be the really salient issue. Dent did mention that some of it seems to be to let those who want to govern take the hit, and deliver the vote, to get something passed, so that the hard liners can crow they stayed true to Pub principles, without having to endure the consequences of the failure to govern at all. Let others take the hit, so that they can posture themselves as true blue and principled, rather than "Washington insider" trimmers.

Its really not "for the control of the party" since Dent is a Moderate and Brat is part of the "House Freedom Caucus". I'm sure Dent has had his disagreements with other Establishment Members of the party.

[hopper]

The MainStreet Partnership is part of the establishment wing of the party.

Yeah I know but the Establishment Moderates and Establishment Conservatives did battle it out in the 80's and 90's and the Establishment Conservatives won out with one of the Establishment  Conservatives oddly enough being John Boehner in the 90's! The battle is now between the New School Conservatives(i.e. The House Freedom Caucus) and the old Establishment Conservatives and not Establishment Moderates. I do think the  Establishment Conservatives(well a new breed of them)will win out in the long run since "The House Freedom Caucus" have an older  following in the Baby Boomer Generation. "The House Freedom Caucus"  only makes up 17% of the US House Republican Delegation also. They are just big enough to be a pain in the butt for now.