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« on: March 21, 2015, 06:35:00 PM »

Democrats have a catholic apocalypse while the Republicans face a Hispanic apocalypse. Makes sense. Smiley

The Pubs are on the uptick with Hispanics. Mittens just didn't connect. Stay tuned. Smiley
Um yeah "self deportation rhetoric" certainly didn't do him any favors. But still yeah he didn't connect all Romney did was run against Obama and Romney had no vision for the countries future.
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2015, 06:39:14 PM »

It seems like the Catholic vote is more Democratic now than it was, say, 15 or 20 years ago. Maybe it's because Catholics are a little more urban than Southern-style evangelicals.
No the Catholic Vote has mirrored the Presidential Vote at least since the Clinton Years maybe before that( I didn't look that far back past 1992.) Bush W. won the Catholic Vote just barely in 2004 just like Obama did in 2012.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2015, 06:50:02 PM »

Democrats have a catholic apocalypse while the Republicans face a Hispanic apocalypse. Makes sense. Smiley

The Pubs are on the uptick with Hispanics. Mittens just didn't connect. Stay tuned. Smiley

Would be interesting to see a shred of evidence to that Smiley

Torie's evidence: an anecdote given to him by his gardener.


Sigh. Ah the drums shall forever beat for the rich white man's condescension and exploitation of those perhaps less fortunate meme, won't they? It fits in so seamlessly with one's world view with which they find favor. Resistance is futile. Sad

I'm just ribbing you Torie. Tongue

I took a close look at Mexican-American precincts in Denver and my conclusion was that there wasn't a significant swing towards Cory Gardner. On average, he received ~1-2% more than Ken Buck. However, Udall bled a lot of votes to a third party candidate with a Hispanic last name. The Hispanic counties in southern Colorado are not representative of Latinos: they're Nuevo Mexicanos who are embedded in the rural culture of the mountain west. As a result, they're susceptible to backlash voting with regards to guns and the environment, issues which were salient in Colorado politics.

Elsewhere, the issue with Mexican-Americans was largely due to turnout. Cubans in Florida swung away from Rick Scott, especially in Miami.

I can't speak to the political trends in the Puerto Rican or Dominican community but there's a near negligible likelihood they'll ever vote for Republicans due to their ties and identification with their African heritage/identity and, to a lesser extent, the Black community in the US.

Torie, Mexican-Americans are actually moving to the left. Millennial Mexican-Americans are increasingly unchurched and still retain their parent's penchant for the welfare state and governmental intervention in the economy. In terms of class, there's no substantial evidence that suggests that wealthier Mexican-Americans are more likely to vote for Republicans than poorer Mexican-Americans. Middle class Mexican-Americans have a disproportionate presence in the public sector. If anything, they're more to the left than their working class and poor counterparts.

As for Cubans? Republicans face demographic armageddon with Cubans. Although Cuban-Americans are unusually conservative for an ethnic group that hails from the Hispanic world, they're not particularly conservative by the standards of America but they remain a core Republican constituency. Republican dominance in the Cuban community will continue to erode over the next few decades. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire community re-aligns itself with Democrats.

Republicans have a race issue with many Latinos. I doubt that predominately "indio" migrants from Mexico or darker Puerto Ricans or Dominicans will ever vote for the GOP so long as it maintains its current orientation.

edit: I apologize for the incoherent nature of this post but it's hard to discuss Latinos as a unified ethnicity. The issue of Latino voting trends necessitates digging into specific ethnic data. Otherwise, trends are easily obscured.
There are White Puerto Ricans. True about Dominicans though.

I think Mexican Americans are center-left. I don't think they are Hard-Core Liberals though.

I think the Cuban Vote(mostly in Florida) Cuban's of Generation Y they don't have ties to the Castro Regime in Cuba.

Gardner did improve improve statewide from Buck 2010's performance with Latino's by 6% points from 17% to 23%. That was critical in Gardner's victory.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2015, 06:54:07 PM »

Democrats have a catholic apocalypse while the Republicans face a Hispanic apocalypse. Makes sense. Smiley
The Republican Hispanic Vote % its stayed stable since 2000 for the most part. It hasn't moved down significantly nationwide that drastically since 2000.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2015, 12:23:17 AM »

Democrats have a catholic apocalypse while the Republicans face a Hispanic apocalypse. Makes sense. Smiley

The Pubs are on the uptick with Hispanics. Mittens just didn't connect. Stay tuned. Smiley

Would be interesting to see a shred of evidence to that Smiley

Torie's evidence: an anecdote given to him by his gardener.


Sigh. Ah the drums shall forever beat for the rich white man's condescension and exploitation of those perhaps less fortunate meme, won't they? It fits in so seamlessly with one's world view with which they find favor. Resistance is futile. Sad

I would have expected a lawyer to actually have read the link he is posting. Would you mind telling us, where is any evidence of that "uptick" in there?

The word "uptick" does not connote some evidence of a long term trend. I sort of used the word jocularly, suggesting that perhaps there is hope. What the exit poll showed basically was no movement, with the Pub percentage up 6% from 2012 in 2014, but that uptick occurred in 2010 as well (albeit 2010 was a bit stronger Pub year than 2014). So yes, it appears that the uptick was mostly a turnout issue, that has been discussed so much between presidential election and midterm election cycles. The Pubs did get in excess of 40% in Georgia and Texas however, suggesting to me, that Hispanics do tend to adapt somewhat to the overall political culture, as TDFB suggested occurred in rural Colorado in his most interesting post. Hope that helps.

In the exit poll, albeit with a high margin of error, the Pubs did however evenly split the Asian vote however, a big uptick and a big surprise. Go Asians! Smiley 

No the Republicans didn't get 40% of the Hispanic Vote in GA or TX.

Greg Abbot got about 32% of the Hispanic Vote in the 2014 Texas Governors Race. It wasn't 40% of the Latino Vote but it was an improvement over Perry's 2010 performance with the Latino Vote where he got a mere 15% of the Latino Vote.

TX US Senate Race: John Cornyn got 30% of the Latino Vote.

GA Gov Race: Nathan Deal got about 27% of the Latino Vote.

GA US Senate Race: David Perdue got 29% of the Latino Vote.

Yes, you are right in a way about Rural Colorado in a way since Gardner about tied Udall in Pueblo County in terms Vote Percentages.

No the Republicans didn't evenly split with the Asian Vote with the Dems. The Republicans got 34% of the Asian Vote. Greg Abbott won 48% of the Asian Vote in the TX Governor's Race. Abbott was really successful in getting Asian and Hispanic Voters to vote for him.

Don't look at the usual "Regular Exit Polling" for the Asian and Hispanic Vote. Looking at the polling sites like "Asian American Decisions" or "Latino Decisions" they are much more accurate pollsters for Asian and Hispanic Voting.





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