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hopper
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« on: January 09, 2013, 06:43:40 PM »
« edited: January 09, 2013, 06:53:29 PM by hopper »


This.

Sure, the demographics are a problem. In a ever-changing population, a seemingly anti-immigrant, traditional, almost paternalistic, message isn't going to appeal enough for it to be electorally possible for them to win.

As far as I can see - the GOP are lacking in any ideas. Their whole message is based on their opposition to Obama. Despite the President's shortcomings, the public clearly rejected Republican ideas in 2012, so the same attack message isn't going to work in just under 4 years time.

It will be 2020 at the earliest that Republicans may actually be able to a positive case for them to be elected nationally. The biggest shame is that a weak opposition means poor government - and that's only going to have a negative effect on the whole country.
The GOP is not anti-immigrant  but anti-immigration reform to people who either came here illegally themselves or brought there kids illegally along with them. Its still not good to be anti-immigration reform with hispanics even though the GOP's base loves that kind of thing.

Like the Dems didn't run against Bush W. when he is in office as opposed to your saying that the Republicans are running against Obama? The Dems disliked Bush W. nearly as much as the R's despise Obama.

As far as the GOP lacking in idea's here is one idea they should cut out is the tax cuts for millionares rhetoric. Maybe Obama not renewing the tax cuts for the upper 2% did them a blessing in disquise. This way its not an issue anymore. Just entitlement reform is the topic at hand.

As far as the topic itself the GOP can keep the religious right as one base of its  support but it can't be their only base of support.
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 05:40:46 PM »

If they continue with nativism, they will continue to lose middle class and upper income Asians and Hispanics. Republicans don't need to win the Hispanic vote, they need to cut the margin to 60-40. And really not supporting things like the AZ immigration law is more important to Asians and Hispanics than supporting amnesty or whatever. That is something that can be swept under the rug since citizens who are voting in elections are usually not as affected by it. Racist laws like the AZ immigration law affects all Asians and Hispanics.
Yeah they need to get in between 40-45% of Hispanics to win elections time and keep the Dems on their heels.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 05:55:36 PM »

Giving cops the authority to pull over people if they look like they are illegals is most certainly racist. Instead, why don't we focus on more policing of the borders and strategic fencing? As well as doing a better job of deporting illegals with felonies? The last point is something the Obama administration has actually been doing.

The AZ immigration law was a nativist law passed by a legislature trying to deflect blame for AZ's budget problems at the height of the recession. Trying to blame immigrants and outsiders during hard economic times is not something new in America, and the Republican party of Arizona played the same card in 2010. What's sad is that the rest of the Republican party stood right by them. That is why Republicans lost the support of Cubans and Vietnamese, two groups that have been supporting Republicans for decades. Go ahead with the nativism, and face the consequences.

Every illegal immigrant is a criminal, if you enter a country illegally you are a criminal that is one thing I will never tolerate, neither should the GOP or any respectable political party.

Arizona's law doesn't give the police the power to pull over hispanics and ask to see their ID, it gives police the power to question people in police custody about their immigration status, so if the person speaks in broken English for example.

Remember McCain constantly supported pathways to amnesty, he lost hispanics in a mega landslide so much for "nativism" being the cause of the GOP's hispanic problem, if that was the case McCain would have won a massive victory of hispanics. The fact is hispanics don't really care about immigration that much, it is not a main issue for them, they don't agree with Republicans on other issues like the economy which are more important to them. Immigration and amnesty are more important to the left than hispanics, after all its all about future votes.

Different sources say different things about the Cuban-American vote, I know the Miami Herald said Romney won Cubans. I'm not sure about the Vietnamese but I do know that there are a lot of them in Orange County, California and that county swung to the Republicans in 2012.

What I want is for the USA to reduce legal immigration, completely stop illegal immigration, build a border fence and allow the immigrants in the USA to become completely Americanized so that all this racial political BS can end, I am sick of reading stuff like "Hispanics turning Texas blue".
Yeah ok you can do policing and border fencing but what about the people who fly right over the border in the form of an airplane?

I will give the Obama Administration credit in doing a good job of deporting criminal illegal immigrants.

No "The Arizona Immigration Law" I don't think had anything to with the states budget problems. The law had to do with Jan Brewer having an easier time winning a Republican Primary for Governor in 2010. From my understanding she had faced a tough primary.
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