Clash of Kings, an ASOIAF Game (The End)

[Donerail]

Renly and Stannis should probably tell us something about what they want to do. It's not very clear right now.

OOC: It's not entirely clear what anyone wants to do. The Targaryens are allied with the Martells, the Tyrells, and the Greyjoys, the Greyjoys are aligned with the Starks, the Targaryens fight the Starks, the Starks fight the Lannisters, the Lannisters fight the Targaryens and Baratheons, nobody has any idea who the Lannisters want to see as King now, the Tyrells used to support the Baratheons but now support the Targaryens, the Greyjoys make off with Lord Tywin's treasury next turn, and nobody has any idea what Lysa Arryn is doing.

Also, the current Targaryen-Greyjoy-Tyrell-Martell axis can field just over 140,000 men if we called all our banners - the Lannisters have aroudn 46,000, while the Starks can call 54,000, the Baratheons have 23,000, and the Arryns have 35,000. #dominating

OOC:

1. As something of an authority in who the Lannisters are fighting, I don't recall ever declaring war on the Targaryens.  I want to avenge my family, Tywin is essentially in LS mode at this point (although hopefully GameTywin is more entertaining than someone who doesn't even speak ).  If the Targaryens will let me have my revenge, why should I fight them?  Renly and Stannis Baratheon aren't going to flay themselves

OOC: Fair point. Nobody knows who the Lannisters are backing now that all male heirs of Robert's line are dead besides 'not-Baratheon' - but with the actions of both you and your son the last time the Targaryens came to Westeros it would be surprising to see you as allies.

2. For someone who is motivated by profit, you're making a very odd move indeed.  I'm not really sure why you think all of my money is in the Westerlands, but...

It would be very kind of you to tell us where your gold is.

3. I would say that everyone should be weary about allying with the Tyrells at this point.  First they were Renly's ally, then my ally (I know for a fact that they were not plotting against me when I first reached out to them), then aligned with the Stenly Baratheon alliance, and now they are allied with the Targaryens.  They seem to just bounce around to whoever his strongest on paper at any given moment.  Hardly the most dependable allies.  Even the Greyjoys were anti-Stark, then anti-Lannister/pro-Stark, then anti-Lannister/pro-Targaryen, then anti-Tyrell/pro-Targaryen/neutral about the Lannisters, now they're apparently neutral on the Tyrells/pro-Targaryen/anti-Lannister  Unlike the Tyrells though, I guess they have the excuse of only caring about plunder and profit, but still.  I wonder if Daenarys' position (strong as it appears) is quite so dominant as it seems on paper given that she is counting on the support of some allies with a pretty consistent history of double-crossing their allies and/or Houses that they were negotiating with.

The difference between us and the Tyrells is that the Tyrells have motivations and are fairly adept at playing the game. The Greyjoys I've been playing as more profit-driven than anything. Just don't be a poorly guarded wealthy neighbor. The Starks aren't wealthy (or particularly poorly guarded - I grabbed most of their easy-to-access gold in the beginning stages and they've beefed up their guards since then) and the Tyrells have the only fleet that could rival my own. The Targaryens are neither our neighbor nor anywhere near the wealthiest faction so we have no reason to cross her (and her dragons).

[Donerail]

3. Try it and the Iron Fleet will burn; we fought off the Redwyne fleet and we'll do the same to you

Good thing we have nearly quadruple the assets of the Redwyne fleet

[Donerail]

OOC: Hopefully we get POVs this turn; I rather enjoy those   The Arya one in particular was excellent!

We will have POV's, but I'm having a distinct problem with them... I recieved so many orders to kill people that I'm trying to fit all of those deaths in the narrative, so this might take some time. I mean, if the dice and the context went through a worst case scenario, we would lose four players, xD

RIP Westeros.

I would suggest the tactic of 'living on an island and sinking your enemy's navy'. I've found it rather helpful in avoiding death so far.

[Donerail]

One imagines the Targaryens would be disinclined to grant the Lannisters any particular charity, for obvious reasons.

Either way, you seem likely to live - Tywin wants you alive.

[Donerail]

One imagines the Targaryens would be disinclined to grant the Lannisters any particular charity, for obvious reasons.

Either way, you seem likely to live - Tywin wants you alive.

That's news to me.

Well, for the time being - he'd have to capture Renly alive at first if he wants to flay him, burn his house to the ground, legacy of ashes, etc, etc, all the stuff in his letter.

[Donerail]

You will have the POV update shortly, this turn we have Brienne of Tarth in King's Landing, Catelyn Stark in Riverrun and Daenerys Targaryen in Storm's End. If I can't fit a certain detail in those three, we may have something regarding the Reach, but I make no promises.

Jesus Christ I mean by the Old Gods and the New, no!!!!

Yet nothing from the Iron Islands nor the Westerlands - glory to the Drowned God!

[Donerail]

Isn't Shireen the technical heir to Stannis?

Also, is Melisandre truly dead?

Male primogeniture, I'd assume - regardless, Renly as Hand would be acting King until Shireen came of age.

[Donerail]

Seriously, what's wrong with my strategy? So far I've managed to watch my enemies kill each others while my military position improved or remained intact. What do you want, folks? Sacking the Westerlands and killing everyone who once opposed us? Or do you want Northern independence? Because if you want the latter, you'd damn better follow my instructions.

That's exactly what they want, Antonio, xD The Northern Lords and most of the Riverlords hated Joffrey and Tywin in a vicious way for killing Ned, taking several Lords hostage and sacking the Riverlands, and in ASOIAF most characters do not react in a rational way even if the strategy is sound. Otherwise a Renly+Stannis alliance at the beginning of the book Clash of Kings would have ended things right there.

Yeah, but Joffrey is dead, and so are Cersei, Jaime and countless other Lannisters. Shouldn't that be enough to appease their blood thirst?

Tywin, Tyrion, Kevan and his sons (not sure how many of them are still around), and I have no idea if Tyrek is still alive.

[Donerail]

Seriously, what's wrong with my strategy? So far I've managed to watch my enemies kill each others while my military position improved or remained intact. What do you want, folks? Sacking the Westerlands and killing everyone who once opposed us? Or do you want Northern independence? Because if you want the latter, you'd damn better follow my instructions.

That's exactly what they want, Antonio, xD The Northern Lords and most of the Riverlords hated Joffrey and Tywin in a vicious way for killing Ned, taking several Lords hostage and sacking the Riverlands, and in ASOIAF most characters do not react in a rational way even if the strategy is sound. Otherwise a Renly+Stannis alliance at the beginning of the book Clash of Kings would have ended things right there.

Yeah, but Joffrey is dead, and so are Cersei, Jaime and countless other Lannisters. Shouldn't that be enough to appease their blood thirst?

Tywin, Tyrion, Kevan and his sons (not sure how many of them are still around), and I have no idea if Tyrek is still alive.

Do we really have to kill every single one of them? That sounds like something the Lannisters would do.

Ask the Riverlords

[Donerail]

OOC: I swear I sent 25,000 against Highgarden (since last round I had 21500 on Pyke and called 10,000 more - leaving 6500 on Pyke would mean 25000 sailing).

[Donerail]

OOC: I swear I sent 25,000 against Highgarden (since last round I had 21500 on Pyke and called 10,000 more - leaving 6500 on Pyke would mean 25000 sailing).

I had a problem calculating this, since you had called at least 5,000 men before and since I have about 600 messages stored between that turn and now I was rather confused. As I add the King's Landing assault I could add the 5,000 extra Ironborn, but the results wouldn't really change, as Highgarden would still be sacked.

That'd be fine - I was just wondering where all the men I had called went.

[Donerail]

A Proclaim:

Seeing significant problems that may arise with succession, I, Balon Greyjoy, King of the Iron Islands, King of Salt and Rock, Son of the Sea Wind, and Lord Reaper of Pyke, do hereby decree that, should I die, Rodrik Harlaw, Lord of the Ten Towers and Hand of the King, shall sit the Seastone Chair in my absence during the war. I further decree that a kingsmoot shall be called to determine the next true king following the conclusion of the war. Succession is important, but we cannot turn to infighting if we are to win the war - there will be time enough for that afterwards.

[Donerail]

A proclaim:

Euron Greyjoy was exiled from these islands for the crime of rape. Now, however, he has far exceeded his previous crimes. He has cruelly murdered a Lord of the Iron Islands. A King bears a duty to his family - but a king must also consider his nobles and his subjects as his family, for he must be loyal to and protect them as well. A king who stands by and allows those who have sworn allegiance to him to be most foully murdered at the hands of an exile is no true king at all. By my authority as King of the Iron Islands, I hereby proclaim that Euron Greyjoy is never to return to these islands upon pain of death, and that this punishment shall extend to those that offer him aid and comfort.

-Signed in the year 299 by Balon Greyjoy, King of the Iron Islands, King of Salt and Rock, Son of the Sea Wind, and Lord Reaper of Pyke

[Donerail]

Guys, I've been downed by a tropical fever so sorry about not responding yet to PMs I've received. I will soon.

Couple of quick questions to bring me up to speed though.

1. I take it from the missives I've received that PM negotiation should be done in fantasy-speak?

2. Officially there is currently an alliance of Targaryen, Tyrell, Martell and Arryn if I understand correctly?

1. It depends. With some people I stay in character and others I do not; it depends on how each person wants to do it.

2. Here's what I understand it to be:

A) Targaryen-Tyrell-Arryn-Martell
B) Baratheon
C) Stark
) Lannister, Varys
Greyjoy) Greyjoy

FTFY kinda. I'll do a writeup of my interpretation of Ironborn ideology and strategy once Euron or Dany kills me.

[Donerail]

OOC: With the Vale likely going down in flames now, it seems as my Dorne is the only region in the country that has been saved from the war. Does that not give credit to her ruler?

The Iron Islands hasn't been invaded yet. Now that Euron somehow got his hands on ing dragons that may change.

[Donerail]

Ugh, come on. Looks like our victory proved pointless. With Mance on the loose south of the Wall, I'm finished.

At least you're alive The war has actually gone relatively well for the Iron Islands - but Balon, Victarion, and Theon are all dead. The only surviving Greyjoys are Asha, Aeron, and Euron.

[Donerail]

I'm surprised Euron would be able to ride a dragon.

"So was I." - Victarion Greyjoy

[Donerail]

It'd be kinda weird to play as Euron after he killed me, so I'll be Baelish.

[Donerail]

Semi-OOC: is it just me, or do the Great Houses lack many marriage prospects? There's no Baratheons, Targaryens, Arryns, or Lannisters of marriagable age, the only Tyrell not yet married appears to be Elinor (who's from a junior branch and betrothed), the only Tully is a widow, the only Stark is missing - the only two options here are Arianne Martell or Asha Greyjoy. This'll be fun.

[Donerail]

Arya Stark is still around, right? Anyway, if you're looking for potential matches, there are always Freys around.

She's 11! Littlefinger is creepy but in the kinda-creepy-dating-a-teenager way, not the full-on dating-an-actual-child way.

[Donerail]

 

Oh, isn't Shireen Baratheon around as well? I don't think she was ever killed off.

Also 11.

There is Mya Baratheon, as well.

Has something tragic happened to Loras?

I'd have the eight Sandsnakes to offer as well

... all of them? Or just one?

Out of curiousity, which Frey?  There are so many of them  

For that I reccommend the wiki. I've done a lot of research for the game, but I refuse to even take a look at Walder Frey's family and decide which one is actually open to marriage and so forth. That said, Roslin Frey is now Robb's Queen and Fat Walda is still there, xD

Oh gods.

Thank you all for your suggestions - I'll probably finish up some business and then head north, where there's a number of noted families with marriageable children. If I find nothing I'll return south.

[Donerail]

I really enjoyed this game and I must say the players gave excellent performances, so hopefully we will be able to have more games like this in the future. Now, we have a series of options for the game:

-End the game at the next turn (unless we have something unexpected).
-The same, then take a rest and consider the possibility of another one (like one set in Robert's Rebellion or in ten or twenty more years in this timeline of events).
-Finally, extend the game. I decided not to have the Others strike as of now because I have no way of simulating their invasion, but if all the players agree I might extend the game a few turns to deal with the Night's King.

Opinions?

We could always extend it, or do a new one - Robert's Rebellion, Dance of the Dragons, a continuation, or maybe Daenerys' war in Essos. Of course, I could always just cause something unexpected to happen.

[Donerail]

Told you that damn castle is cursed.

[Donerail]

A few things:

1. I did not order LF to kill Doran.  I knew he was going to, but that wasn't my idea.  Although I was totally down with framing Robb for it just because GameRobb has to get framed for everything

3. The LF thing was basically a horrendous abuse of the faceless men that I am quite proud of   I basically had a conditional contract made in which whenever I die for any reason whatsoever, Ramsay would be sacrificed to have a faceless man kill LF (and the contract would be valid even if Ramsay died, nice try Sjoyce...yes I knew about that little sideplot to have him killed ).  This enabled me to do things like tell LF that I'm done paying for food, so I'll starve to death and/or be left to the mercy of my enemies when my soldiers starve unless LF starts paying for all the food the Dreadfort and my men need   I also made up some story about Manderly plotting to assassinate me to get Sjoyce to help me with that little misadventure.  Best of all, GameRoose got to write to GameFinger "Try not to take it personally, you are merely a tool for me to use as I please."

These are both true, though based on my understanding of it, if Ramsay died the contract would have been invalidated. If they can't collect payment, they can't carry out their contract. It was a clever idea nonetheless. I only regret not being able to marry Asha - impossible for a number of reasons, but that would've changed things immensely. An Ironborn army back in the Riverlands combined with my plotting would have thrown things into chaos.

Anyways, thank you Lumine for a fantastic game! Can't wait for the next incarnation.

[Donerail]

My initial plans were to set up Steffon in the Stormlands and name his a Tyrell, give Garlan the Westerlands, and see Loras given the Riverlands. I was getting close too, especially in the Westerlands, with my raids on Lannisport. The Tyrells would've then been the best House in the game

Oh yeah, I should probably come clean about that. Besides sacking Highgarden in my first incarnation, Baelish may have had a hand in convincing Baelor Hightower to rise up and overthrow the Tyrells. Sorry Spamage