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Donerail
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« on: January 07, 2013, 03:48:00 PM »

I'll call BS on your 10,000 casualty figure. Let's look at the estimates here:

-Gen. Lauris Norstad: 500,000 US fatalities
-Joint Chiefs of Staff: for a 90-day campaign, 456,000 casualties and 109,000 dead/missing
-Admiral Nimitz: 49,000 in the first 30 days, with 5,000 of them at sea.
-Gem MacArthur: 23,000 in the first 30 days, 125,000 by 120 days.
-William Shockley on behalf of Secretary of War Henry Stimson: 1.7-4 million American casualties, with 400,000-800,000 fatalities and 5-10 million Japanese fatalities.
-LA Times war correspondent Kyle Palmer: half a million to a million
-Herbert Hoover: half a million to a million

There's a reason we've never had to manufacture any more Purple Hearts. Soviets or not.

Had the US aligned itself with the USSR sooner and declared war on Japan, there is little doubt that the beleaguered Empire would have surrendered.

Doubtful. They were entirely willing to fight on to the bitter end; that's why it took an atomic bomb to get them to stop.
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Donerail
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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2013, 05:21:33 PM »

I'll call BS on your 10,000 casualty figure. Let's look at the estimates here:

-Gen. Lauris Norstad: 500,000 US fatalities
-Joint Chiefs of Staff: for a 90-day campaign, 456,000 casualties and 109,000 dead/missing
-Admiral Nimitz: 49,000 in the first 30 days, with 5,000 of them at sea.
-Gem MacArthur: 23,000 in the first 30 days, 125,000 by 120 days.
-William Shockley on behalf of Secretary of War Henry Stimson: 1.7-4 million American casualties, with 400,000-800,000 fatalities and 5-10 million Japanese fatalities.
-LA Times war correspondent Kyle Palmer: half a million to a million
-Herbert Hoover: half a million to a million

There's a reason we've never had to manufacture any more Purple Hearts. Soviets or not.

Had the US aligned itself with the USSR sooner and declared war on Japan, there is little doubt that the beleaguered Empire would have surrendered.

Doubtful. They were entirely willing to fight on to the bitter end; that's why it took an atomic bomb to get them to stop.

 President Truman is known to have increased the figure repeatedly after giving an interview in August 1945 where he claimed that the bomb would have saved "thousands of lives", then in December of that same year "a quarter of a million of the flower of our young manhood was worth a couple of Japanese cities", and in November of 1949 "500, 000 [American] casualties", in January 1953 "as much as a million [Japanese and American] casualties" and finally, in April 1959 "the bomb stopped the war and saved millions of lives".
 You can fact-check this or look it up if you don't believe me. The proof is staring you straight in the face. You can believe what you want to believe or you can be objective.
 All you have there are some estimated figures from known anti-communists who wanted to end the war unilaterally so they could declare it won on their terms and sustain the military-industrial complex for as long as they saw necessary - so your call is BS.

I can see what kinda timeline this will be... Roll Eyes
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