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« on: September 05, 2012, 12:45:55 PM »
« edited: September 05, 2012, 12:50:19 PM by IDS Legislator SJoyceFla »

United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) [United States Independence Party (USIP)] - Would be a broad church of the Tea Party, libertarians and conservative Republicans (Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and so on)

You sure on this one? Santorum/Bachmann/Gingrich, sure, but Paul doesn't really attract the same kind of supporters nor appeal to the same demographics politically (I don't really see anyone who can be described as libertarian supporting censorship, as Bachmann/Santorum do). Other than that, it's great.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2012, 02:00:36 PM »

I'm liking this so far!

Although I've raised a few eyebrows over some state voting history.

United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) [United States Independence Party (USIP)] - Would be a broad church of the Tea Party, libertarians and conservative Republicans (Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and so on)

You sure on this one? Santorum/Bachmann/Gingrich, sure, but Paul doesn't really attract the same kind of supporters nor appeal to the same demographics politically (I don't really see anyone who can be described as libertarian supporting censorship, as Bachmann/Santorum do). Other than that, it's great.

The problem is Paul, and libertarianism in general, is not sponsored by any British political party. He could barely fit in the fringe of the Conservative Party, see Dan Hannan, but otherwise there is no home for Paulites. (Although there is an abundance of Ron Paul fans at the Tory grassroots level)

From what I know of British politics, he'd either be in the Conservative Party fringes, or in the UKIP (but he wouldn't really share a space with a Bachmann/Santorum), or in the Lib Dems (like myself).
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2012, 07:36:12 AM »

Just so you know, you can use the color gold by typing the word gold in place of yellow in the formatting box. Means you don't have to highlight.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2012, 12:04:05 PM »
« Edited: November 22, 2012, 03:16:48 PM by IDS Co-Speaker SJoyceFla »

A few points (overall well done):

I don't know if the votes carry this out, but just from my personal experience and travels in the region, North Florida (possibly excluding Gainesville) is more USIP-friendly that the Panhandle.

Tallahassee/Jacksonville seem accurate, though Jax doesn't strike me as having a notably diverse religious population.

On Orlando, a good chunk of the suburbs (Kissimmee) are where the Latino population is; also, there's significant numbers of retirees in Volusia and lots of blacks in Daytona, which may be worth mentioning.

Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater is accurate, though it's interesting how fast you can go from the urban areas of St. Pete/Tampa to, say, Plant City.

As for your geographic divisions: it's not that simple. Florida around Lake O is seemingly closer to Jax than Miami, and South FL splits into Southeast and Southwest. Southwest, along the Gulf, is mostly wealthy older retirees, while Southeast is Dada/Broward/Palm Beach. Palm Beach/Broward, especially Broward, are more liberal than Miami, as Miami is where the bulk of the Cuban population lives. South Florida typically refers to just those 3 counties. Rich old in Naples have more in common with those across the state in Vero than the farmers between them. South Florid proper (Dade/Broward/Palm Beach) would be heavily Lib Dem/Labor, while the Treasure Coast and SW Florida would be more Tory and the center part USIP.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2012, 12:03:16 PM »

A few points (overall well done):

I don't know if the votes carry this out, but just from my personal experience and travels in the region, North Florida (possibly excluding Gainesville) is more USIP-friendly that the Panhandle.

Tallahassee/Jacksonville seem accurate, though Jax doesn't strike me as having a notably diverse religious population.

On Orlando, a good chunk of the suburbs (Kissimmee) are where the Latino population is; also, there's significant numbers of retirees in Volusia and lots of blacks in Daytona, which may be worth mentioning.

Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater is accurate, though it's interesting how fast you can go from the urban areas of St. Pete/Tampa to, say, Plant City.

As for your geographic divisions: it's not that simple. Florida around Lake O is seemingly closer to Jax than Miami, and South FL splits into Southeast and Southwest. Southwest, along the Gulf, is mostly wealthy older retirees, while Southeast is Dada/Broward/Palm Beach. Palm Beach/Broward, especially Broward, are more liberal than Miami, as Miami is where the bulk of the Cuban population lives. South Florida typically refers to just those 3 counties. Rich old in Naples have more in common with those across the state in Vero than the farmers between them. South Florid proper (Dade/Broward/Palm Beach) would be heavily Lib Dem/Labor, while the Treasure Coast and SW Florida would be more Tory and the center part USIP.

Thanks for your feedback Smiley, and my analysis/breakdown stems from information I can find online, as I've never been to Florida (or anywhere in the US for that matter). Thanks in particular on information regarding the SW/SE division in the south of the state, and Jacksonville's religious diversity, the latter of which I added owing to the diversity of religious institutions found in the city.

Always happy to help. Jacksonville is your typical Southern city, maybe 40% Baptist, 20% Catholic, 10% Methodist, and 5% each Presbyterian and Episcopal, with the rest divided among a smattering of smaller denominations. I think I have a map of the rough regions Florida's divided into if I can find it somewhere.
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2012, 10:43:13 AM »



Here you are. Basic geocultural regions of Florida.
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2012, 11:27:47 PM »
« Edited: November 24, 2012, 11:47:26 PM by IDS Co-Speaker SJoyceFla »

Thanks for that, Mr. Co-Speaker, it will help me greatly if I revise my Florida post here, or do another project involving the US with "insert country" parties.

And just cause I'm kinda bored, a basic profile of each.

Panhandle: As a region it votes conservative: Tallahassee and Monticello (Tally burbs) are highly-educated, and the former a university town. Pretty wealthy on top of that. Probably Lib Dem/Torie race, though notable because it doesn't really have any suburbs, and those it does have are left-leaning. Gadsden County is Florida's only majority-black county and is probably quite strong for Labor (maybe a Respect presence as well). As for the rest of the area, there aren't many major cities other than Pensacola, which is a military town, so the USIP vote would be very strong, and the ANP vote would be significant among the good ol' boy parts of the region, where the major industry is agriculture. Doesn't strike me as much of a Torie region; Lib Dems could compete for second here on the basis of a strong Tally vote.
North Florida: A fun part of the state... USIP competes with ANP or Tories here. Very rural, very Southern, not a lot of big cities. There'd be Lib Dems (?) in Gainesville, Alachua, and that's about it. Not a lot of people or industry (outside of agriculture) to be had outside of Gainesville. Maybe Ocala, but that's about it.
First Coast: Tories, Tories, Tories. Major financial center and shipping area. Lots of money in Jacksonville. Military area too. Lib Dems would usually be second here, but long-term Labor is ascendant with white flight out of Jacksonville (which is all of Duval County) to places like Nassau County.
Central Florida: Political mixed bag. Minorities in Daytona, Sanford, and Kissimmee would tend to back Labor (plus declining industry in Titusville and rising industrial workers in Orlando), while Orlando proper would be more Lib Dem or Torie (as would the smart folks over at NASA). Retirees in Seminole and southern Volusia would be Torie backers, as would the rich up in Flagler. The conservative oasis of The Villages would also be strongly Torie, if not USIP.
Tampa Bay: Our other political mixed bag. From Citrus up north (USIP territory) to Sarasota down south (Tories), you have a little bit of everything. Inner-city Tampa and south St. Pete are likely to be extremely strong for Labor, with Respect gaining respectable (bad pun) margins here as well. The Tories do well among MacDill workers and the large financial industry, with the Lib Dems cleaning up among the rest (plus university students). Lib Dems do well across the Howard Frankland in St. Pete and Clearwater, with the Tories doing well in the suburbs of those parts. Pasco/Hernando as well as Bradenton tilt more conservative, with USIP managing to do fairly well here as well. Polk is an interesting county: reliably conservative now, but becoming more minority dominated and more industrialized as time progresses.
The Glades: The North Florida of the South. Very rural, very few people, and those that are there are heavily socially conservative. USIP mostly, with the Tories a distant second and ANP significant.
Treasure Coast: Tends to include northern Palm Beach as well. St. Lucie County is an anomaly and seems to function like an appendage of South Florida rather than part of the Treasure Coast. Rich folks here, pretty strongly Torie, though sometimes with lapses (Allen West), and a significant Lib Dem presence as well. However, they're traditionally in favor of environmental protection, restoration of the Everglades, clean water, green tech, anti-growth, and wanting to punish polluters. Greens would do pretty good here.
South Florida: Tourism, finance, and lots and lots of strip malls. Broward/Palm Beach are very left-wing, Lib Dem among the Jews and gays, Labor among the other minorities, and Tories among the very wealthy and Cubans. The Greens are a factor in the Keys as well.
Southwest Florida: See the Treasure Coast, but even older and slightly less anti-growth. Basically an exact mirror image, on the other side of the state, with a tad more Tories and a tad less Greens.

Might want to PM Sanchez on the South FL/Treasure Coast stuff though. Not my speciality.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2012, 09:38:14 PM »

While Alaska does have a stronger separatist movement than Hawaii, and would have its own separatist party you're right, Palin probably would not lead it, although again, aside from her and Parnell, I can't name any other Alaskan politicians.

Joe Miller probably.
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