The Imperial Dominion of the South's Legislature

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Aye.

Eh, at least it caused some discussion.

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Nay, sorry SJoyce.

It's fine. It was really just a random idea I had pop into my head that I proposed cause of lack of discussion and such.

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It's got my support.

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Aye.

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This bill would establish procedures for recalling and replacing elected officials (see 2003 California and 2012 Wisconsin).

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Just 25% of the people who voted? Doesn't that seem a little low? If 8 people voted in the governor's race, that means only 2 have to want to recall that guy and they could call a special election.

Yeah, I was concerned about that and thinking of bumping it up to around 50.

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     I think two month terms are nice since they help distinguish the region, but at the same time I fear that such frequent votes breed election fatigue.

It isn't like anyone's challenged you for Emperor for the past several months; a 4 month term wouldn't seem too long (plus, at least in Florida, State Reps are elected to 2 year terms while the Governor gets a 4-year one, so it'd make it align with what the system is there).

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This part:

shall be elected to a term not to exceed 24 months in length.

Is this implying that Emperors can only serve one term of 4 months, or that the term itself is 4 months and therefore corresponds to Clause 2?

I think our election cycles are fine the way they are, and any problems that originate from them are a result of inactivity. People coming into this game - especially if we are still in the process of trying to build an active base - will not be engaged if they have to wait long periods of time to run for office. In this particular instance, most don't jump right in and run for Emperor, but the option should exist, if for nothing else than breaking the monotony and comedic effect.

I'm in agreement with Article IV, Clause 2 as it stands currently.

Currently the term of the Emperor is 2 months. This would increase it to 4, in order to decrease election fatigue and make elections for Emperor (like elections for President) a rarer occasion and thus generate more interest.

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Aye.

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Am I up for reelection??

Naw, it's Jbrase and Adam Griffin.

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May I ask why? Horse meat (not that I have ever had it) is a legit food.

Due to horse meat not being a traditional part of the food chain, you commonly find drugs in the meat that aren't legal for use in food animals (such as cows), but since horses typically aren't considered a food, these drugs appear. Plus, the slaughter pipeline in Atlasia is typically less regulated than that for other animals such as cows, so abuse and inhumane treatment is much more common. The vast majority of groups affiliated with the horse industry are opposed to horse slaughter as well.

Besides, this law wouldn't ban the shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling, or donation of horse meat, just of the horses themselves.

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Are there any laws on the IDS books regulating the pharmaceuticals, hormones and other additives that can be fed to any animals meant for consumption? I'm not aware of any. This could be a chance to expand the quality of all consumable meats. If there was any way to get a cost benefit analysis or estimates for any additional costs to livestock owners, we could even evaluate an "organic" approach for all livestock. This could, however, be complicated due to the food supply chain.

I don't think we have any laws on what we can and cannot feed animals, which is why this issue comes up. If y'all wanna change it to actually create some standards on what you can feed animals, I'd be for that too.

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I propose the following amendment to the current bill.

Strike the current text and replace with:

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Aye.

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I think the bill is sound and safe. I'll defer to SJoyce, however, since it's technically his bill.

I'm adding Griffin as a co-sponsor if he wants to

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I think the bill is sound and safe. I'll defer to SJoyce, however, since it's technically his bill.

I'm adding Griffin as a co-sponsor if he wants to

I'll accept. What are your thoughts on moving forward with this? I'm assuming by your vote that you are OK with this version?

I'm okay with this version. In all honesty it isn't my area of expertise, but from what I've read it seems good.

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I appreciate the pause, but even from the reading I've done I still just "don't know." Would it water down the bill too much if we just created an advisory board of experts (say, folks in the agriculture business and scientists who are familiar with these ingredients) to set reasonable standards for the industry? Standards that find a good balance between safetly, yields, and profits?

I wouldn't mind having some sort of advisory council, just so long as it's, say, 50% experts/scientists, 25% industry specialists, and 25% organic-type people.

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Aye.

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Did this not pass prior?

It didn't pass with this being the new flag; this is it as the Imperial Standard. Since this has the changes to it that I supported, I support it.

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I oppose. We don't need JBrase's name enshrined upon our coat of arms. If anything, it should be my name, as the Dirty South was dead before my overlords and I took over, nursed it back to health, left the union and then returned before naming it the Dirty South and making it a region to be reckoned with. If anything, he rode my coattails

But I oppose having any governor's name on our coat of arms really. One man does not represent an entire people. This is the coat of arms for the IDS/DS, not of JBrase's house or family.

By my understanding, the Coat of Arms created is merely that of whichever Imperial House currently controls the seat of the Emperor, and is subject to change with elections, so no one man will ever permanently be on the flag. Currently the House of Jbrase is the only one with a seal, but Sanchez has announced plans for a House of Sanchez, and there are a couple other regional groupings (RPP, Whig). The Voter Rolls haven't been as active as I would have liked, but still.

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I oppose. We don't need JBrase's name enshrined upon our coat of arms. If anything, it should be my name, as the Dirty South was dead before my overlords and I took over, nursed it back to health, left the union and then returned before naming it the Dirty South and making it a region to be reckoned with. If anything, he rode my coattails

But I oppose having any governor's name on our coat of arms really. One man does not represent an entire people. This is the coat of arms for the IDS/DS, not of JBrase's house or family.

By my understanding, the Coat of Arms created is merely that of whichever Imperial House currently controls the seat of the Emperor, and is subject to change with elections, so no one man will ever permanently be on the flag. Currently the House of Jbrase is the only one with a seal, but Sanchez has announced plans for a House of Sanchez, and there are a couple other regional groupings (RPP, Whig). The Voter Rolls haven't been as active as I would have liked, but still.

So we will change it whenever a new governor takes over? I suppose that makes sense, more so than changing the flag over and over. Granted, I am not Scottish or English, never cared for medieval history, and as a Greek, we did not have coat of arms, so I am unfamiliar with how they work for families, let alone regions.

Yep. Ya know, you could found a House of Duke as well.

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I oppose. We don't need JBrase's name enshrined upon our coat of arms. If anything, it should be my name, as the Dirty South was dead before my overlords and I took over, nursed it back to health, left the union and then returned before naming it the Dirty South and making it a region to be reckoned with. If anything, he rode my coattails

But I oppose having any governor's name on our coat of arms really. One man does not represent an entire people. This is the coat of arms for the IDS/DS, not of JBrase's house or family.

By my understanding, the Coat of Arms created is merely that of whichever Imperial House currently controls the seat of the Emperor, and is subject to change with elections, so no one man will ever permanently be on the flag. Currently the House of Jbrase is the only one with a seal, but Sanchez has announced plans for a House of Sanchez, and there are a couple other regional groupings (RPP, Whig). The Voter Rolls haven't been as active as I would have liked, but still.

So we will change it whenever a new governor takes over? I suppose that makes sense, more so than changing the flag over and over. Granted, I am not Scottish or English, never cared for medieval history, and as a Greek, we did not have coat of arms, so I am unfamiliar with how they work for families, let alone regions.

Yep. Ya know, you could found a House of Duke as well.

What is the point of finding houses though? Like, do we have dinner parties? Form coalitions? Aren't these houses simply your offspring who take over for you when you leave office? I understand that the House of JBrase was his house when he was in office, but who else is in it? If someone he hand picks takes over?

I think it's regional political alliances based on the politics of previous Emperors. Jbrase's House includes him, PiT, me, and Yankee; it's a libertarian-leaning bloc.

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Unless anyone wants more debate we can open a vote later today.

Then we can move on to the next one of yours, then some of mine (we need that Labor bill ASAP).

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Aye.