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AmericanNation
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« on: September 12, 2012, 02:08:09 PM »

LOL, A disastrous event combined with Obama incompetence and Mitt looking extremely presidential is bad for Romney how?
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2012, 04:03:11 PM »

Is Obama sleeping   This has been the worst presidency I've ever seen (admittedly I can't remember the Carter years) on foreign policy.  He seems uninterested in being Commander in Chief.       
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2012, 08:51:53 AM »

Is Obama sleeping   This has been the worst presidency I've ever seen (admittedly I can't remember the Carter years) on foreign policy.  He seems uninterested in being Commander in Chief.       

Are you Rush Limbaugh?

No, he's just the biggest troll on the forum.
I'm interested in how you could possibly think that, other than you don't like/want what I say to happen...  which would be a sign you're just projecting your qualities onto me. 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2012, 01:12:05 PM »

Is Obama sleeping   This has been the worst presidency I've ever seen (admittedly I can't remember the Carter years) on foreign policy.  He seems uninterested in being Commander in Chief.       

Are you Rush Limbaugh?

No, he's just the biggest troll on the forum.
I'm interested in how you could possibly think that, other than you don't like/want what I say to happen...  which would be a sign you're just projecting your qualities onto me. 

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Wait, wait, wait, let me get this straight -- so if mondale84 doesn't want this to be the worst presidency ever, that makes him a troll?

Thanks for proving him right, man.

At no point in that statement did you make a coherent point.  I don't want it to be the worst presidency ever, but unfortunately there isn't one you could find to be worse (at least not one recently that I've "seen" --as I said)  You could make arguments about Carter, FDR's first two terms, Wilson, or James Buchanan being worse historically, but Carter is the only one you could reasonably call modern (or have personally witnessed). 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 08:11:23 AM »

Is Obama sleeping   This has been the worst presidency I've ever seen (admittedly I can't remember the Carter years) on foreign policy.  He seems uninterested in being Commander in Chief.       

Are you Rush Limbaugh?

No, he's just the biggest troll on the forum.
I'm interested in how you could possibly think that, other than you don't like/want what I say to happen...  which would be a sign you're just projecting your qualities onto me. 

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Wait, wait, wait, let me get this straight -- so if mondale84 doesn't want this to be the worst presidency ever, that makes him a troll?

Thanks for proving him right, man.

At no point in that statement did you make a coherent point.

Roll Eyes
Okay, let me be glaringly obvious then, to cancel out your total lack of reading comprehension.

Premise 1. You are saying that mondale84 is a troll (which he is, but that's irrelevant) because he doesn't want this presidency to be worse than Bush's.

It would be Improper to go around calling people names (like a troll) after they make reasonable and factual statements solely because you don't like what they say/don't want them to say it.  Than I was charitable in offering a psychological reason for this obvious impropriety.  You took this simple sequence of events to mean I magically "proved I was a troll", than you laid out a ridiculous explanation of that statement (which I appreciate you doing, but it is what it is).  It's like you are trying to be coherent and logical (which again I really appreciate), but you picked an incredibly stupid place/topic to do that with.  You're trying to scientifically disprove gravity.  Thank you for stopping that foolishness.

Premise 2. No sane person wants this presidency to be worse than Bush's.
A very odd/hackish point to make, which you try to pull out of the gutter by adding "Premise" in front of it.
Conclusion. You think that being sane is a sign of trolling.
Aside from the obvious fallacies in logic here, it is morally questionable/troubling to reduce yourself to this type of name calling and/or bullying. 

I don't want it to be the worst presidency ever,

I didn't say that.
It would be logical/reasonable to think you did in order to explain the huge/weird leap you made for no reason.

but unfortunately there isn't one you could find to be worse (at least not one recently that I've "seen" --as I said)  You could make arguments about Carter, FDR's first two terms, Wilson, or James Buchanan being worse historically, but Carter is the only one you could reasonably call modern (or have personally witnessed).

So you're saying that it's not even arguable that Bush's presidency was worse than Obama's?
It depends if you're being absolute or not about the definition of "arguable."  (which is a silly thing to get huffy about.)  Is it possible to makeup an argument? Yes.  Is it possible to make a really good argument that will hold up to scrutiny(historical and otherwise)? No, not really.
That's it, I'm done.

The idea that FDR's first two terms were somehow worse than Obama's term so far (put it another way, the idea that Obama's a better president than 1933-41 FDR) is also, um, questionable.
While Obama may be worse than FDR's first two terms, it would certainly be reasonable to debate (as I said "arguable") the two as they are the top tier or 'worsts'.   
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The 2nd half of your sentence is a little different point.  It perhaps blends his 3rd term into the equation, which I specifically partitioned out.  I agree that FDR was a better president mostly because of the third term, where FDR recognized some of his mistakes and failed policies, than reversed them or changed to different new ones. (partly out of necessity to prepare for war, partly because they had been total failures for so long it was suicidal to continue).  FDR's third term is very helpful to juxtapose with Obama's failures as president because it shows that he has fallen into similar traps the great FDR did.  The question becomes: will/could Obama recognize and change his failed ways?  The answer is probably not because he's shown no sign of it now and wouldn't have much reason to if reelected.  If he could would he do it in time to prevent serious serious damage to the country? Again probably not.  No indication from his actions or words.             
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