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AmericanNation
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« on: June 01, 2012, 09:51:31 AM »
« edited: June 01, 2012, 10:04:08 AM by AmericanNation »

It is possible that Obama could dominate the DC 'bubble' that spreads into the Virginia suburbs (and that racks up enough votes to win VA narrowly) despite losing the rest of the country...  
--So, in that scenario Romney would probably win IA, and NV as well as OH and WI.  

I don't think that will happen, but it could theoretically.  VA will probably move out of tossup and into the Romney column soon.      

As for Wisconsin, their is indication that Romney is drawing even despite running zero ads and not visiting the state.  A Walker victory will further cement the alienation the middle has with democrat incompetence.  You might not realize that the ugly dark side of the democrat party has been on full display here for over a year.  Walker could become a great needle moving spokesman for Romney after he wins --something he hasn't done once yet, for obvious reasons.  52%-53% is with Walker and if he delivers the state for the presidential nominee he will have a feather in his cap that Tommy Thompson never had (after the Reagan era)(although he got really close for W.)  ...Speaking of which, Tommy is probably going to get out of the GOP primary and will be on the ballot at the same time as a presidential election for the first time (US Senate).  I just don't think it is a likely scenario that the state re-elects Walker, elects Thompson Senator, and votes for Obama.  We have a tradition of doing crap like that and it's possible, but I just don't think it is likely this year.  I heard Reince Priebus say on a call today: "I don't know when people are going to start realizing that the Wisconsin GOP is pretty good at what it does.  They know who their people are, they get them out to vote, they win elections."               
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2012, 11:29:17 AM »

TJ, yea OR the fever pitch they have been running at for 1.5 years that has produced failure after failure might cause a collapse of turnout for a while.  They need to spend some time in the wilderness for everybody's good.  Renewal takes some time.       
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2012, 01:03:44 PM »

AmericanNation: Out of curiosity, where do you live in Wisconsin? I'm currently living in Madison, but I am originally from Cottage Grove.
Originally from Waukesha, currently live in Washington County, lived in Milwaukee and Madison for brief stints. 
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AmericanNation
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2012, 02:52:39 PM »

Wisconsin is interesting to me and unique from most states in that the rural areas are more Democratic and the Suburban areas are more Republican. Minnesota is also like this to an extent.

Can anybody explain to me why this is?
I can speak for Wisconsin and it may be similar for Minnesota.

Your Statement isn't exactly true.  
To start with a given that the Suburban/Exurban Greater Milwaukee area is STRONGLY Republican for a number of reasons.  one is partly do to a 'sorting' process where people flee democrat/socialist policies across the Milwaukee county line.  124th street (the county line with Waukesha county) actually has different voting patterns on one side vs the other.  

Dane county is heavily democratic due to the Capitol-public employee concentration, flagship university etc.  

"Rural" Wisconsin is almost entirely Republican, but much less so than the WOW counties.  It is an old (and pretty good) rule that if a democrat doesn't get 60-65% plus in Milwaukee County their isn't enough votes left in the state for them to win.    

 This is sometimes skewed by:
1) some small to medium sized towns in the middle of rural areas that have old industrial/Union histories-traditions.  These towns also sometimes have a quasi powerful public employee base.  Miniature machines had developed on and off randomly here, but Republican politicians can also dominate.        
2) The 'Western' part of the state between Madison and Lacrosse is the only "Rural" area that trends democrat.  It does have those towns I just talked about but, I attribute this tendency toward 'Norwegian Classic ethnic settlement areas.'  They went Went 47% for Walker in 2010, but had often swung hard for a dem like Feingold.  They have trended toward the GOP, but are moving painfully slow and could relapse at any time.  
2b) The far NorthWest has a smaller, but similar phenomenon to point 2 only it's 'Finnish Classic ethnic settlement areas.'  

I suspect MN has this same phenomenon as they have a higher Scandinavian population.  

The 1920's Progressive history of the LaFollet's in Wisconsin and Farmer–Labor in MN respectively may still play a role on the periphery.  

So You have:
Democrat       - Core            - Heavy
Republican     - adj. subs     - lean
Republican     - subs            - Heavy
Republican     - exoburbs    - lean to strong
Republican     - Rural           - lean
Democrat       - periphery    - lean to strong
                    

  
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AmericanNation
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E: 4.90, S: 1.91

« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2012, 02:55:08 PM »

Wisconsin is interesting to me and unique from most states in that the rural areas are more Democratic and the Suburban areas are more Republican. Minnesota is also like this to an extent.

Can anybody explain to me why this is?
Many rural areas are mining/manufacturing areas, and thus heavily unionized.
...and old timber areas settled by Scandinavians.  
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