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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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« on: July 06, 2012, 03:55:32 AM »

I believe everything about what will happen in our lives is already set in stone--we just think we've got free will (and that illusion is good enough for me). So to me, prayer more of a comfort thing.
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,765
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Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 05:47:23 PM »

I believe everything about what will happen in our lives is already set in stone--we just think we've got free will (and that illusion is good enough for me). So to me, prayer more of a comfort thing.

lol predestination.

You can laugh, but I think it makes sense. I don't know that some guy is sitting on a throne putting the pieces together, but I think there is an order and a story to this life that is unchangeable. We feel like we're making independent decisions, but they're all working together to create a foretold narrative.

I actually kind of like to use the idea of time travel here. Let's say 2012 me decides to go back to see myself in 1996. The 2012 me that went back in time would have already met myself 16 years earlier in 1996. So arguably, when 1996 Hagrid meets 2012 Hagrid, the future of 1996 Hagrid is unchangeable--in 2012 he WILL go back in time. Thus, the path ahead was already laid out.
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,765
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2012, 03:47:50 AM »
« Edited: July 07, 2012, 03:54:48 AM by HagridOfTheDeep »

It may not exist, it's just a good way to illustrate the rules of my belief. It's not supposed to be "proof." If time travel was possible, I believe the only way it would work would be the way I've outlined. Since the past has happened and as far as I know, there IS a future ahead, the foundations for those time travel rules does exist. Which would suggest to me that the concept of predestination has potential.

(The multiverse theory is interesting... would jumping ahead into the future with that theory have you staying in the same universe, or bouncing into a new one?)

I also like the omniverse theory, wherein our universe is one of many. The physics of another universe could be totally different and completely unknowable to us. Makes you wonder about some sort of heaven.
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,765
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2012, 04:57:49 AM »

I was in Fatima, Portugal yesterday. Prayer-galore. What a cool experience.
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HagridOfTheDeep
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,765
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -4.35

« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 03:31:01 AM »
« Edited: July 09, 2012, 04:28:19 PM by HagridOfTheDeep »

I believe everything about what will happen in our lives is already set in stone--we just think we've got free will (and that illusion is good enough for me). So to me, prayer more of a comfort thing.

lol predestination.

Predestination is scary. Specifically, if predestination is true, then what's the point of religious people attempting to convert others? Well actually if that's the case, and it has already been decided who is going to heaven or hell, then what's the point of any of this?

Well, the believer of predestination (i.e., myself) would argue that such an action would be a way through which God could carry out his work. That person still needs to believe in God to go to heaven--while God would know he'd eventually come around, God's way of achieving that turn might be through someone else.

To me, predestination makes sense in the context of God. If you've got a power that knows everything, sees everything, and controls everything, how could it possibly be that he wouldn't know the future?
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