Health care game changer?

[Purch]

Yes Torie, keeping those who are in internships or graduate school on health plans where their costs are lower due to employer contributions is a good thing. Employer contributions into health care for everybody is necessary for the system to stay solvent. Whether you do that with payroll taxes followed up by subsidization of care or through schemes like keeping people on their parents plans till 26 is your choice. I prefer the former since it helps out everyone and not just those whose parents have insurance, bu the Republicans haven't proposed that have they? And speaking of which, have the Republicans proposed a plan that will ensure most of the uninsured get insured?

I assume it's something similar to Dems not proposing a budget in years because Paul Ryan's and other repubs budget was too far to the right.

I mean why propose a health care bill when Obamacare was as far left as it can go with the complete socialization of healthcare?


One of two things needs to happen in these senerious

1. Either the other party proposes a plan as far left or right as the original plans and they work something towards the middle. Which would involve both parties actually having real plans for both healthcare and the budget.

or

2. Congress continues to be as dysfunctional as it already is.

[Purch]

I mean feel free to explain to me where I'm wrong. I'm not saying Obamacare is a bad thing in fact I do agree with how it adresed the healthcare issue in our country.

By socialization I mean mandating everyone to buy healthcare so because everyone is puting money in so then you can distribute the HC to the whole country.

And let me explain I don't belive socialism is a dirty word I just associate it with the extremeist on the far left because I've seen a lot of similarities between the socialist party specificlly in france and far left democrats.

Democrats I don't associate with socialism, however extreme democrats who wants to repubuild this country by applying a hundread taxes, rasing corprate taxes and taxing the rich so they can spend more do seem to cross that border in my opinion.

Just like I have a tendency to associae people on the far right as extreme neo-con capitalist who don't truly understand why certain things that support the middle class and the poor sholdn't be cut before the military budget.

Again I'd be happy to be corrected as I'm only 18 and gained and intrest in politics within the last 7 months.

[Purch]

I mean feel free to explain to me where I'm wrong. I'm not saying Obamacare is a bad thing in fact I do agree with how it adresed the healthcare issue in our country.

By socialization I mean mandating everyone to buy healthcare so because everyone is puting money in so then you can distribute the HC to the whole country.

And let me explain I don't belive socialism is a dirty word I just associate it with the extremeist on the far left because I've seen a lot of similarities between the socialist party specificlly in france and far left democrats.

Democrats I don't associate with socialism, however extreme democrats who wants to repubuild this country by applying a hundread taxes, rasing corprate taxes and taxing the rich so they can spend more do seem to cross that border in my opinion.

Just like I have a tendency to associae people on the far right as extreme neo-con capitalist who don't truly understand why certain things that support the middle class and the poor sholdn't be cut before the military budget.

Again I'd be happy to be corrected as I'm only 18 and gained and intrest in politics within the last 7 months.

Saying Obama's plan is as far left as you can go just sounds ridiculous if you look at it from an international perspective. And you say forcing everyone to buy health insurance is "socialization" and far left but that is actually a Republican idea. Do a little search on the individual mandate and you will see this is what the Republicans proposed in contrast to Hillarycare and most supported it until 2009 when it suddenly became unpopular with them when Obama endorsed it. A real Democratic plan would be to provide a public option with high subsidies for the poor and no mandate. Countries like France have no mandate, if you don't want health insurance you don't need to get it. But of course they pay their premiums through payroll taxes basically. And they also pay about 30-40% copays with a cap on total expenditures per year. Yet, there is no mandate to purchase private insurance, and I can see why it pisses off people. Really the solution is to tax, and provide subsidies for the poor so they will willingly get insurance, not to mandate buying insurance and then providing them with little subsidies. This is what Obamacare does, and while you may not agree with it, by no definition of the word would it be left wing. Indeed, it is a right wing solution.

Wow I'd completely forgotten about the complete flip flop the right did on the mandate I'd actually read up on it earlier this year.  Thanks for the info.

[Purch]

By the way since you brought up Hillary Care didn't Obama actually campaign against an individual mandate?