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Junior Chimp
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« on: September 12, 2013, 11:00:40 PM »

Oh, god I hope not. It would cease to be America. We are a constitutional republic. Everything about socialism and a social democracy disagree with the founding principles of the US.

Not now, it could happen sometime way way down the road, but if it does, I have a feeling there might be another historic civil war or something like that. Unless there are a solid majority of Americans that want a social democracy then there will be a fight.

Social Democracy is incompatible with American life. The best the left can hope for is your typical American progressive, with universal healthcare, and maybe universal higher education being the only things I can see happening in the next fifty years.

Are you two serious? Those two comments are ridiculous.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2013, 12:51:33 PM »

Are you two serious? Those two comments are ridiculous.

Yes and no: Is it realistic that we'll have another civil war? Probably not
Is it realistic that it would not happen decades from now? Probably

Now, what part of the comment is rediculous? Me talking about how social democracies don't work? Please, don't take it too seriously, were going to have disagreements, and since reforming or nationalizing the government is an ideology there's no easy way to debate it.

The part of your comment when you say that a constitutional republic is incompatible with a social democracy; what part of a social democracy as you understand it is incompatible with an American constitutional republic?

And the civil war bit is so silly I'm afraid to answer it. Unless there's a total collapse of government legitimacy and authority, there isn't going to be a civil war for a long time. A coup, maybe, but not a civil war.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 02:23:56 PM »

Social Democracy isn't socialism. At least not of the type you're describing. Norway, Sweden and Denmark are social democratic countries, but you can't call them socialist in the manner you're describing. They're capitalist; in fact, I've read an article that state that Norway was better for start-up businesses than the US. And the way that the Scandinavian countries operate isn't incompatible with American life.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 09:08:13 PM »

I don't see the United States becoming a full-on social democracy like Scandinavia but a transition to a social market economy with many social democratic elements like in Germany is quite possible as Millennials rise to political prominence.

I also see this possibly happening. The Millenial generation may be libertarian on social/civil rights issues (gay marriage, weed, wiretapping) but economically they are much more liberal. I could see our health care system becoming similar to Switzerland (basically a more liberal Obamacare), and higher education being paid for by the government in the the next 30 years.

Our second amendment prevents this from happening.

How?  Are you envisaging armed gangs of thugs preventing elected representatives from enacting those policies?

I hold the same views on the matter as the founding fathers would. Is revolution bad when there are free elections in place? That's the bigger question. My other thought is that when two people no longer get along, they shouldn't be forced to stay married. The same should go for the states who would never want to be part of such a thing such as Utah and Oklahoma. I'd be living in the former state of Texas anyways.

A Swiss-style healthcare system and free higher education justify armed rebellion to you? You might not agree with those things, but to say that people would be rising up and willing to kill over them strikes me as an enormous overreaction.

No it's not at all what I said. However, they're great ways to start a slippery-slope into being socialists. Then the next step is us becoming communist Russia and we saw how that went.

That's not how it works at all.
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