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politicus
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« on: October 17, 2015, 06:05:55 AM »

Like others I have a hard time seeing how it would work if the parties automatically changed their positions, but assuming parties just try to adapt to the new environment:

It would cause a realignment in Danish politics. As the arch-populists they are DPP would swing massively to the left on green issues (especially renewable energy/climate, traffic and landscape planning) and also accept things like the establishment of public banking sector and start up loans for workers coops wanting to buy out employers/tax credits for employers leaving shares to workers in their will. SD would move to the right on immigration, law and order and education, become soft Eurosceptic and be more positive towards helping the establishment of a cooperative sector, the SD right wing would grudgingly accept a public banking sector with special focus on helping promising start-ups and the establishment of workers co-ops. Since DPP would drop "symbolism" and economic discrimination of refugees/migrants the two parties would be quite close on integration pursuing a soft assimilationist strategy with emphasis on increasing labour market participation and zero tolerance of Islamism. On other social issues DPP and the SD right wing would accept Nordic model on prostitution, casinos and public involvement in gambling would be closed, abortion would be limited, while hash and marijuana legalized. Welfare policies would remain mostly unchanged with some reversal of elements of the HTS era reforms and a 3 year unemployment benefit period. There would be higher estate and inheritance taxes and "green taxes", while income taxes for low incomes would be lowered substantially. The SD left wing would advocate a basic income and this would be an important internal cleavage in the party.

The core axis would therefore be a SocDem/DPP alliance with both the bourgeois parties and the left wing in a difficult situation. The two parties might even merge at some point (but different party cultures would likely prevent this). Perhaps a relationship similar to the Coalition in Australia.

SPP would regain a bit of strength, picking up voters who were uncomfortable with the right wing turn of SD, while the Red Greens would become more isolated. I think SPP would accelerate their right wing drift on defence/foreign policy and adopt policies similar to the current SD. The Alternative would likely disappear as their policies would become more mainstream and be picked up by the SD left wing and SPP. Their combo is hard to radicalize without ending in eco-socialism, which is the Red-Greens prerogative. If they survive they might take up the position of their now expelled Integration Spokesperson Danish-Pakistani Muslim feminist Uzma Ahmed Andresen, that immigrants who do not accept gender equality and other Western core values should be repatriated.

To stay relevant the Liberals would adopt environmental policies similar to the current Conservative ones and become soft Eurosceptics, while the Conservatives would pick up DPP voters turned off by the party's move to the left (presumably there would still be some) and go full Eurosceptic. LA would become irrelevant and fall below the threshold as right wingers would basically all be culturally conservative and their environmental policies would be considered extremist.

Radikale would probably just die off. It would be hard for them to survive in this environment since centrist voters would have the opposite combination of policy positions than theirs and environmentalism would be so mainstream that it would be impossible to use as a vote getter for a centrist party. Although, perhaps they could survive as the only pro-EU party left. Since Denmark would leave the EU (after a referendum called by the government) there might be a few votes in this - especially if it has negative economic consequences.


First election:

Red Greens 10%
The Alternative 1,5%
SPP 7,5%
SD 30%
DPP 25%
Radikale 1%
Liberals 15%
LA 1,5%
Conservatives 8,5%

(KD wouldn't even bother to run as all their positions would be taken by others)
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politicus
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2015, 10:03:28 AM »

If I may ask: how do you vote, politicus? Conservative? KD? SD?

I stubbornly voted KD until it became completely ridiculous doing so (and a bit after that) and was a member until 2012. I didn't vote last time because I was in Tonga and there isn't a Danish consulate or any other way of voting, but would have voted for the Alternative - simply to get an unorthodox business friendly Green party in to set a new agenda on some issues - and for lack of an alternative Smiley. Would have been more positive if Uzma Andresen had been allowed to craft their integration and immigration policies, and if they had avoided stereotypically leftist foreign policy and crime prevention policies.

No one comes close to my combination of views.

Even without taking "value issues" into account Danish leftists are mostly public sector interest groups and I am focused on creating a broader ownership of businesses and some alternative to the established financial sector - which is considered "far left" (despite not being anti-business as such).

The Conservatives are the only centre-right party which has an environmental policy that doesn't rule them out a priori, but is currently in a sad state and are too far to the right on economics/welfare under Pape, who is also going soft on zoning laws (previously a main difference to the Liberals). I voted Conservative in the last municipal elections despite not really liking them, because the SocDems in Copenhagen have had the Lord Mayorate forever and I consider it a goal in itself to get them out (camaraderie, nepotism, entitlement, inefficiency etc.).

I would generally prefer a centre-left government to a centre-right, because a centre-right government is unlikely to do anything - or at least anything efficient - about most of the issues where I am conservative (incl. education) and would instead go to the right on issues where I am leftist. Whereas the centre-left actually is greener and less anti-poor people + the Social Democrats block big swings to the left on most of the issues where I am on the right.

tl;dr: I am politically homeless.
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