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« on: August 25, 2015, 06:42:58 AM »

Besides, it's deeply disturbing that you advocate naturalizing foreigners only for the purpose of winning elections for center-left parties. If they have to rely solely on this to win, they are politically bankrupt because it shows that they have no solutions to actual problems...

That's not the only reason I support it. I also think taking in more immigrants is morally right as well as beneficial both economically and culturally. In short, there are only advantages. The electoral marginalization of racists is only a welcome side-effect. Wink


Why should it be morally right to crowd out a people in their own homeland?
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 10:50:29 AM »

Besides, it's deeply disturbing that you advocate naturalizing foreigners only for the purpose of winning elections for center-left parties. If they have to rely solely on this to win, they are politically bankrupt because it shows that they have no solutions to actual problems...

That's not the only reason I support it. I also think taking in more immigrants is morally right as well as beneficial both economically and culturally. In short, there are only advantages. The electoral marginalization of racists is only a welcome side-effect. Wink


Why should it be morally right to crowd out a people in their own homeland?

The idea that people are being "crowded out of their homeland" is nonsense on so many levels. 

It is what Tony was describing.

Anyway, given the toxic climate surrounding all immigration related topics on here comments like "wrong on so many levels" are not helpful.
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 03:04:39 PM »

Besides, it's deeply disturbing that you advocate naturalizing foreigners only for the purpose of winning elections for center-left parties. If they have to rely solely on this to win, they are politically bankrupt because it shows that they have no solutions to actual problems...

That's not the only reason I support it. I also think taking in more immigrants is morally right as well as beneficial both economically and culturally. In short, there are only advantages. The electoral marginalization of racists is only a welcome side-effect. Wink


Why should it be morally right to crowd out a people in their own homeland?

Because I don't believe that being born on the right side of a border gives you a right to deny people who were born on the wrong side the same chances you had in your life. As long as they conform to the basic democratic rules of the place they settle in, people should have the right to live wherever they want to.

That leaves countries as blank ahistoric spaces to be filled with whoever wants to go there. Individual rights are not everything. What about communal rights? The right of a people to have their own home land?

By your logic Tibetans have no special right to Tibet, even if it became a democracy the Han Chinese settlers would have the same rights as the natives. Greenlanders have no right to Greenland if minerals are found there and enough outsiders move there and laws protecting local land ownership in Pacific Islands (or, heck, Guernsey) are invalid.

Being a leftist and only recognizing individual rights has always been a strange and contradictory combo to me.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2015, 06:38:32 AM »

Tempted to reply, of course, but I think we should follow Hash advice.

If I was mod I would delete both Antonios post and all responses to it (and clean up Tenders posts). That is probably the only way to safe this.

Alternatively Tender could just lock or delete this as it is just a prediction thread and not an election thread.
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