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« on: August 10, 2015, 12:46:54 PM »
« edited: August 10, 2015, 12:55:14 PM by politicus »

Oh, Tender, that's ridiculous, the US is talking taking asylum seekers, since decades. Don't believe all the lies of your beloved Strache.

Sure, but measured per capita only about 1/10 of the European countries with the highest numbers of asylum seekers, such as Austria (and that is excluding Sweden, which takes roughly 25 times as many).

(2013 numbers, but 2014 would likely be even more skewed)

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/dec/02/sweden-oecds-highest-per-capita-asylum-seekers-syria

It is hard to see a solution on the refugee crisis unless the US takes a substantially larger share (like 10x as many). A US with a Sweden (or even Germany) share of refugees would really matter. And as a multicultural and highly diverse society you are far better suited for integrating refugees than Western Europe.

There are of course other wealthy countries - mainly in Asia - that are not pulling their weight, but the low American share is a problem nonetheless.
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2015, 02:02:05 PM »

But how has that worked out for you Europeans, socially and politically? Is a USA taking in 600,000-1,500,000 refugees annually a wise idea, a viable long term solution to things? All while propping up the Continent militarily? It is not a solution at all. Particularly when you tout the "need" to get our growth population "under control".

Can you imagine the political backlash? An American version of the anti-immigrant right?

1) As I said, you would be better at integrating refugees and the backlash would be less massive than in ethnically defined nation states.

2) Letting large numbers of refugees become immigrants in Western countries is not a viable long term solution, because it encourages economic migrants to use the refugee system - and props up human trafficking - but we have an acute crisis right now, and it needs to be solved. Long term you need to secure more repatriation (by stabilizing countries and solving conflicts) and invest in better conditions for refugees in countries bordering conflict zones - but the rich countries will always have to take a share and it needs to be better and more rationally distributed.

3) Not sure what the Europe free riding on defence has to do with this - it is two separate issues (and if you want to link them more refugees in America and more defence spending in Europe would be a sensible trade off).

4) Getting population growth under control is a global problem, and moving people to countries with very resource consuming life styles does add to CO2 emission, but refugees is one group that needs to be taking care of no matter what. Ideally (from my POV) they would crowd out other immigrants, so the net result was the same.
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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2015, 04:44:47 PM »
« Edited: August 11, 2015, 04:49:06 PM by politicus »

Hate trolling dumbsh**ts. Message boards should have votes on whether to ban them for lacking the education of a 15-year-old.

The OP may be trollish, but it points out an actual problem worth debating. Or are you talking about ag? He is among our most highly educated trolls.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2015, 11:28:39 AM »

Oh, Tender, that's ridiculous, the US is talking taking asylum seekers, since decades. Don't believe all the lies of your beloved Strache.

Sure, but measured per capita only about 1/10 of the European countries with the highest numbers of asylum seekers, such as Austria (and that is excluding Sweden, which takes roughly 25 times as many).


You forget the simple fact that who called a refugee is endogenous to national legislation. US, whatever its deficiencies, has many other categories of immigration that are accessible. And, of course, US has a gigantic number of "illegal"economic (and, frequently, political) migrants that are not classified in any of the legal migration categories. Comparing numbers of "refugees" between the US and Europe is comparing apples and oranges: the numbers cannot be easily compared at all.

No, that's wrong and (I hope) you know it: Both Austria and the US have comparable high rates of [legal] [economic] immigration - per capita.

But what we are facing right now is something more extreme: On top of the legal immigration (50.000 a year, which is huge) - there are now 80.000 asylum seekers coming in.

Our population is expected to increase by 1.5% this year ...

That's equivalent of the US taking in 3.2 million asylum seekers a year - ON TOP of it's legal immigration of 1 million.

Just to get the facts straight ...

Yeah, this would have been a valid counterpoint 10 years ago, but not so much today.
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« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2015, 04:30:04 AM »

Serious question: When will the US start taking in asylum seekers ?

So you guys are always whining about "Wahhh our population is decreasing/stagnating" but then the solution comes to your doorstep and you still whine? Austria/Germany need more population growth. The USA does not. Furthermore, it was Austria/Germany who started two World Wars which destabilized everything and gave rise to the USA which in turn made a mess of things in Iraq/Syria. So it's your fault and you should take more refugees.

No.
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