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« on: February 08, 2015, 02:06:55 PM »

If that's what they feel needs to be done, then good. I have given up any hope of Europe's capability (or in some cases, desire) to protect their shrinking Jewish minority. Whether the next step is emigration to Israel or a less-hostile Western nation, I can only hope they find the peace and security that various elements are determined to deny them in Europe.

Europe is not a country.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2015, 02:46:20 PM »
« Edited: February 08, 2015, 02:49:17 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »

If that's what they feel needs to be done, then good. I have given up any hope of Europe's capability (or in some cases, desire) to protect their shrinking Jewish minority. Whether the next step is emigration to Israel or a less-hostile Western nation, I can only hope they find the peace and security that various elements are determined to deny them in Europe.

Europe is not a country.

France has the largest Jewish population and the most recent tragedy, but the harassment, intimidation, and terrorizing of Jews is a continent-wide problem right now.

It really isn't.

Even if it is was describing "Europe" as if it was one agent ("Europe's capability") would be pointless.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2015, 05:12:09 PM »

The problem is that Jews get blamed for what Israel does just like on the flip side Muslims get blamed for terrorism. When violence against Jews occurs a lot become zionists because they don't know any better and can't look at what Israel's doing objectively just like Muslims might become anti-semites because of the atrocities that Israel commits in Gaza. I wish that people could just acknowledge that Israel is a lunatic racist state and bigotry against Jews is also ed up, that plenty of Jews oppose what Israel is doing and in a sense the right-wing in Israel probably loves seeing hatred against Jews increased because it means that more will flee to Israel.

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 06:59:27 AM »
« Edited: February 11, 2015, 02:11:41 PM by Charlotte Hebdo »


Sigh.

European used to have two meanings: an inhabitant of Europe/a white person (Europide in pre-WW2 Danish racial terminology). Then it became non-PC to use the second, but the social reality behind it didn't disappear.

Europe does have a native or aboriginal population (it is mixed with people from neighbouring regions, but so is the native population of Africa and Asia). Since a lot of people are offended by using European as a racial description (even if Asian and African are used as such - despite Asians being far more diverse than Europeans) you need to look for an alternative. How would you describe white culturally Christian/historically Christian people descended from the population living in Europe pre-1950? Native is not as accurate as aboriginal, but the latter sounds odd and is too connected to Australian aborigines.

It is frustrating when an obvious reality (the existence of a white pre-mass immigration population in Europe) can not be described and all labels are just considered "racist". It is no use pretending there is no us and them if the vast majority of people consider there to be one. White works in areas to which Europeans emigrated, but is odd in Europe itself. It feels odd saying White European, like it is odd for a Sub-Saharan African to describe himself as a  Black African (unless used to contradict with North African) and weird for a Korean saying he is a Yellow or Brown Asian.

@ag: Your "tribe" is along with Romas one of the two historical outsider minorities in Europe. Far better integrated (and often fully assimilated) than Romas, of course. Askenazi Jews descended from people being in Europe for centuries are native Europeans since they are white and mostly assimilated. At some point large parts of present immigrants will of course be as well. Recently immigrated Sephardic Jews from North Africa are not native Europeans. In pre-Holocaust Europe categorization of Jews does not really matter in most contexts. France with its large partly Sephardic Jewish community is an exception.

To those that think terms like Native European are offensive, what is your non-derogatory/non-slur ("Aryan") alternative? Should it just be forbidden to refer to the majority population in Europe by any common label? (then you need to use a lot of stupid coded language, since it is a social reality)

I hope Americans understands why using white is odd in a European context.

Also, there are adopted children, people with mixed-race origin etc. and all sorts of exceptions. But just as national identies that were originally also ethnic labels (like Norwegian) can today both apply to the ethnic majority group and the whole population in the country (depending on context) it should be possible to use European in both ways - Native European would be a helpful qualifier.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 10:39:26 AM »

There are no words I hate more than "white Judeo-Christian". Kindly, please leave us alone.

Europeans spent centuries hating my ancestors for not being white European Christians. For a thousamd years, pogrom after a pogrom, massacre after a massacre Jews where hunted from one country to another, from one ghetto to another. Then, after doing a short job with 6 millions of those "white Judeo-Christians" they got all teary-eyed and decided to award us with "whiteness". I am not a "white man" and do not want to be one. Anyone designating me as such would be guilty of basest libel. Please allow me to stay with my black migrant  non- christoan brethren: I do not want any of your "whiteness".

Whiteness is not something you choose. You are white if you look white.
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 03:30:25 PM »

Should it just be forbidden to refer to the majority population in Europe by any common label? (then you need to use a lot of stupid coded language, since it is a social reality)

We aren't the same 'people' so it's not an issue.

Huh

Saying it is not an issue is just saying "I do not like this, so make it go away".

Sub-Saharan Africans are not the same 'people' either. They still recognize each other as a race and a civilization. There clearly is both a European civilization and a European race.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 04:03:05 PM »

This is predictably not going well. Deconstruction is a futile and pointless approach when addressing something perceived as social reality by most people.

Why cant there be a common name for people of European ancestry when there are common descriptions of people of Asian, African and American origin? Why is Native European so bad, when you got Native American? Why is highly diverse Asian an acceptable racial term, when more homogeneous European is not?
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