Rank the parties w/ national legislative representation: Ireland

[politicus]

Surprised so many like Irish Labour. It is one of the worst SD parties in Europe (or anywhere actually). Also lol at American liberals prefering FG to FF.

[politicus]

The clientelistic nature of Irish politics also discourages new political movements that are not recognizably part of the establishment.

That doesn't really apply to the left wing though. But assuming centre-right wing voters are more likely to be part of clientilistic networks (and they are in most countries) that's a good point regarding right wing populism. Still the "nation of emigrants" and lack of large scale non-European immigration factor is more important.

[politicus]

Few people immigrate to Ireland, so little point in stirring up xenophobia? My first guess at least.

PR-STV is also advantageous to vague centrists who can harvest second votes, rather than fascists who are inevitably last pick on everybody's list.

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We have quite a lot of immigrants now actually. This has made no impact discernible political impact as of yet.

But you don't have many from non-Western countries and, especially, you have few Muslims and that's generally the crucial group when it comes to mobilizing right wing populism in Europe. Islamophobia is more important than traditional racism in this context.



(its a little old, but AFAIK there hasn't been major Middle Eastern immigration to Ireland since then)

[politicus]

If one where to construct a new and suitable party system from scratch in Ireland how would that look like? Presumably there would be some CDU style nominally Christian and moderately conservative alliance and a real Social Democratic one. But what else?

[politicus]

If one where to construct a new and suitable party system from scratch in Ireland how would that look like? Presumably there would be some CDU style nominally Christian and moderately conservative alliance and a real Social Democratic one. But what else?

We have the party system that exists because people vote for it.

True, but people vote for the parties that happen to exist. Generally a party system has a lot of redudant bagage from the past and that clearly is the case in Ireland. So I just wondered how a party system would look like if it was created from scratch today.