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patrick1
Junior Chimp
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« on: July 31, 2009, 02:21:38 PM »

The problem, BRTD, is that you have no intention of listening or debating anything.  Your mind is made up and your sole intention is to troll.  This is your default position on really any issue and you are no worth the time of a reasoned response.

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patrick1
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2009, 10:52:19 PM »


I've never understood why forcing the majority of population of a province into a country they don't want makes sense.

I'll play devils advocate-  The boundaries set were illegitimate and arbitrary.  The province of Ulster consists of 9 counties, 6 of which consist  of N Ireland.  Only Antrim and Down have Protestant and solid Unionist majorities.  Should Fermanagh, Tyrone, Armagh and Derry be given separate referendum based on your logic?  Or failing that should we further balkanize it based on district councils?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_councils_in_Northern_Ireland_by_community_make-up

Because after all we wouldn't want to force the majority of a county, ward, block or house into a country?
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patrick1
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2009, 06:28:26 PM »

Is there a historical cause for the Catholic concentrations around the Loch?

Poor soil/bogland around a lot of the shores discouraged Protestant settlement.  Also Lough Neagh was and I believe is still owned by the Lord(s) Shaftesbury.  For hundreds of years it was also crown and private aristocratic fishing land which would discourage large scale business fishing ventures.
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patrick1
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2009, 07:36:27 PM »


It makes the map look so much neater.

Protestant Irishs remain Irish. If only Republic of Ireland could get rid of its reactionnary catholicism and Ulster protestants be also less ridiculously radicals, these two communities could easily live together.

Couldn't have said it better myself.


and then you would both be wrong. 
Northern Ireland is one of the safest places in Europe.  For instance, N Ireland have similar population figures. Roughly 1.5 million for Philly and 1.8 for NI.  In 2006 there were 23 murders in NI and 406 in Philly.  Frankly, the city of brotherly love could probably learn about living harmoniously from NI.
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patrick1
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2009, 03:03:50 PM »

Is there a historical cause for the Catholic concentrations around the Loch?

Poor soil/bogland around a lot of the shores discouraged Protestant settlement.  Also Lough Neagh was and I believe is still owned by the Lord(s) Shaftesbury.  For hundreds of years it was also crown and private aristocratic fishing land which would discourage large scale business fishing ventures.
Thanks!

^Interesting stories on the Shafetsburys lately. Several years back the eldest was murdered by his fourth wife and his brother in law in France, then the 30 year old son dropped dead and I think the current is some rave club DJ.  That is the one thing I hate about aristocracy is that these jokers held so much power for centuries.  You weren't allowed and still aren't in some places to hunt or fish on "their land".  The aristocracy is also another reason why the clear delineation along sectarian lines is relatively recent.  The dissenters and many yeoman were screwed just as hard by the absentee aristocracy.
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