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Question: Should they?
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Only in less severe cases
 
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« on: January 06, 2005, 12:10:50 AM »

I am a big fan of democracy, so of course I will say yes. Voting is a right worth more than life itself. Give me democracy or give me death!

This is why the voting age should be eliminated as well. Anyone who disagrees with me is that much closer to Hitler Cheesy

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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2005, 04:15:32 PM »

I am a big fan of democracy, so of course I will say yes. Voting is a right worth more than life itself. Give me democracy or give me death!

This is why the voting age should be eliminated as well. Anyone who disagrees with me is that much closer to Hitler Cheesy



The whole point in removing a convicted criminals right to vote is due to the fact that the criminal permaturely removed somebody elses constitutional rights. I don't have a problem giving back voting rights to someone who robbed or carjacked someone. But a murderer should never get back the right to vote. Ever.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2005, 07:00:29 PM »

I am a big fan of democracy, so of course I will say yes. Voting is a right worth more than life itself. Give me democracy or give me death!

This is why the voting age should be eliminated as well. Anyone who disagrees with me is that much closer to Hitler Cheesy



The whole point in removing a convicted criminals right to vote is due to the fact that the criminal permaturely removed somebody elses constitutional rights. I don't have a problem giving back voting rights to someone who robbed or carjacked someone. But a murderer should never get back the right to vote. Ever.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yes, convicting people of crimes is a wrong. Free all the prisoners because we wouldn't want to fall into that logical theory of yours. Eh?

Convicting criminals is not wrong, not allowing them to vote is.
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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2005, 11:19:55 PM »

I am a big fan of democracy, so of course I will say yes. Voting is a right worth more than life itself. Give me democracy or give me death!

This is why the voting age should be eliminated as well. Anyone who disagrees with me is that much closer to Hitler Cheesy



The whole point in removing a convicted criminals right to vote is due to the fact that the criminal permaturely removed somebody elses constitutional rights. I don't have a problem giving back voting rights to someone who robbed or carjacked someone. But a murderer should never get back the right to vote. Ever.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Yes, convicting people of crimes is a wrong. Free all the prisoners because we wouldn't want to fall into that logical theory of yours. Eh?

Convicting criminals is not wrong, not allowing them to vote is.

So its ok to brutally take someones rights away in an instant yet allow the animal murderer to have a say in anything? If we had more executions of these animals "voting rights" wouldnt be a concern.

If we are going to allow prisoners the right to life, (even until they are executed) by allowing them shelter, nurishment, etc.., why not give them the right to vote as well? As I have mentioned, the right to vote is more important the life itself.

If we allow prisoners these few rights, even though they stole them from someone by murdering them, I don't see why voting should be excluded. Let's remember folks, voting is a fundemental right, not a privelege for the very few.

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But they do breathe the same air we do, and well voting is like breathing - everyone must do it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2005, 02:22:48 AM »

Voting is not a "right". Its a privledge much like driving is.

Um.... very few people have that opinion.

Earl AW-hypothetical-If someone killed a family member of yours, you believe they should be able to vote on the same issues that the general populace does. Inmates runninbg the asylum. Crime can be an abstract concept to people until it hits them personally.

Of course! I'm not a hipocrite.

Well, let's look at the murderer case for this: A murderer takes away a life. That life no longer can vote. So, why should the killer get to keep his right to vote if he has taken that right from another person?
For the same reason they have the right to shelter, air, food, etc.. I thought I stated this already.

And if voting isn't something everyone must do - there's a number of people who shouldn't vote(and thankfully many of them don't). There are great numbers of uninformed voters, who if they did vote would make uninformed decisions - do you really want idiots who have no idea what they are doing recklessly directing the course of the nation? Now I ask a similar question - do you want criminals directing the course of the nation?

I don't think letting criminals vote would alter any election results. If a candidate were to appease to them, the rest of the public would make sure such candidate would lose. Now if you get the weird situation where a majority of your citizens are criminals- well maybe you have bigger problems.

Now saying that there are some people un capable of voting- that is very anti-democratic of you. I know a guy called Stalin you might find a good friend in.
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2005, 10:56:24 PM »

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Well I don't believe the dead should be able to vote for one thing, so I cannot pick an option. Might as well kill me without letting me vote.

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The "right to bear arms" is not a fundemental right, I am sorry.

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I live in Ottawa, of course not! However I see your point, so I thought of some pretty bad situations. I am a christian, so I have been taught to turn the other cheek, and seek forgiveness.  I can't see it changing my views. 
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2005, 11:32:46 PM »

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What I meant was that there is no point in voting if you are going to die immediately after you do it because that would be making a decision that effects everyone but yourself.  And well, living in this case is certainly not an option.

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Well, for one thing more nations in the world grant you the right to vote than to bear arms.  A nation can still be considered free without the right to bear amrs, but democracy is essential to freedom.

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Well, maybe we can have them help out setting up the polling booths in order to earn their right to vote.  And even when you are executed, you still get to live until your execution. Therefore you should still be able to vote until then.

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That was merely a joke, of course it can happen to me. We had two murders this week alone!

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I don't know about that, I have heard of many people who have forgiven the murderer.  I am sorry if you don't have the proper moral upbringing to do so.



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Well it certainly shows....
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